World War II

Discussion in 'Historical Events Coffee House' started by NateAwesome, Feb 13, 2011.

  1. PopePnwer Well-Known Member

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    Is it possible that they had over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ships. I'm sorry I saw a chance and I had to take it :mrgreen:
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    You would do that :lol:
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    yep, we had them hiding... where we couldn't find them.
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    I'm no expert in this particular aspect, but that is higly arguable. France for exsample had good relations ship with USSR before the war, also this is part of Stalins speech after victory:




    Let us remember that UK, Australia, China, Philiphines & Vietnam were fighting against the Japanese in WW2 and in 1945 USSR as well.
  5. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    I didnt say they did the most fighting. I said they endured and did the most overall in the war. I know the Soviets did the most fighting but in my mind, Britain had the most important role in the war
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    Soviets (From allied side) did most fighting as we have come to conclusion (Had even pointless debate on it) now lets see production:

    Total Tanks & SPG's
    USSR: 105,251
    USA: 88,410
    UK: 27,896
    Germany: 67,429



    Artillery:
    USSR: 516,648
    USA: 257,390
    UK: 124,877
    Germany: 159,147



    Mortars:
    USSR: 200,300
    USA: 105,055
    UK: 102,950
    Germany: 46,014


    Machineguns:
    USSR: 1,477,400
    USA: 2,679,840
    UK: 297,336
    Germany: 674,280


    Military Trucks:
    USSR: 197,100
    USA: 2,382,311 (Lend lease FTW, right, Kali)
    UK: 480,943
    Germany: 345,914



    Casulties of total population:

    USSR: Aprox. 23,400,000 - 25,000,000 (Civilians 14,600,000 to 12,700,000) - Soviet deaths included in the German Military
    USA: 418,500 (Civilians 1,700)
    UK: 450,900 (Civilians 67,100 )
    Germany: 5,500,000 to 6,900,000 (Civilian 1,050,000 to 2,450,000)

    Russia: 13,950,000 (Civilians 7,200,000)


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    UK, well endured indeed. If not for them 3rd Reich would taken over the world. UK survived the Holocaust and Nazi occupation WOW!!
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    let us never forget those who died, no matter who you fight for, all blood spilled in war is a waste
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    The reason Operation Barbarossa did not suceed was because Hitler did not back up his three army groups suffciently when Germany invaded the Soviet Union's oil fields the Center Group army had to support the Southern Army group giving the Soviet Union enough space to wiggle behind and flank them also the Besieging Leningrad was a mistake as it was besiegied for 900 days thus mean't it was behind the other armies but most of all the thing that stopped the Germans was Russia itself the Russian winter forced them back as the Red Army could fight in the worst of conditions the Germans were pushed back entirely out of Russia and back into their capital were they were slaughtered but Germany only managed to get just a few miles of Moscow which seemed easy as the Russians had retreated but Russia was so large it could reinforce itself and bring its far Eastern armies to the West where the Germans recieved a traditional Russian welcome I believe the Wehrmacht got as far as Napoleon managed to do who had only horses for transport when Hitler had planes, tanks and vehicles and the most powerful and most advanced army of the time and he still failed
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    Ugh in hind sight you can make all kinds of statements of how war could go differently. Truth is that it was fought only once and could have gone buhzillion different ways. I dont like how people go into details, when it comes to pointing out "why" Germans lost WW2.

    You could tell that Germans will lose the war after just a few months of fighting.
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    Ya from Poland's Advanced HUSSAR regiment's and there 4 ships... Poland FTW :twisted:
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    Sorry I should be more specific: From Operation Barbarossa
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    Poland did have a bigger army than the UK and USA at the time. But Poland can't into space.
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    I actually tried to beat the Fall Blau offensive scenario in Hearts of Iron 2 (many many times, as the Germans) and the farthest I could reach was conquering almost all territories to the West of the Volga, including Stalingrad. Is not that the Soviet troops were so much organized as mine, but the Winter and the strength in numbers never let me conquer any territory to the east the Volga. Not only that, I don“t have good troops to conquer the Caucasus and the Soviet troops there made my lost my nerves .

    Now I feel as the Germans did at the time.
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    Poor Germans :cry:, it's not your fault those damn Russians are ready to throw themselves in-front of machine-gun fire.
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    It kinda is their fault
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    Even though they killed more people in the war then all the other countries combined. it was the fact that the Russians had far more troops and used tactics like blowing small buildings so the tiger's couldn't get through.
    Kinda like geurilla warfare.
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    How is that related? And yes, they had huge partisan regiments behind German lines. Many led by Red army officer.
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    I don't know. and i got a fact out of you so a job well done!
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    well Russians have a history of defending their land tooth and nail. Russians also had a choice, follow orders, or go into a penal unit.
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    The Soviets did the most work this is what I think who did the most work and who did least. Only the allies.
    1. The U.S.S.R.
    2. The U.K.
    3. America ( only because they held back the japanese )
    4. France

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