What Nation do You Hate the Most?

QUICK SOMEONE SAVE THE ALCOHOL.

Nazi Gemany obviously but also Austria because they formed the Austrio-Hungarian empire started world war one officialy and fucked over everyone in the world even in defeat

Well really world war one was started by a sandwhich and a serb.

A sandwich?

A sandwich?[/quote:2txm6kyp]

Yes a sandwich for you see the assassin of the archduke of Austria only had to chance to assassinate the archduke because his carriage went right next to a sandwich shop at which the Serbian anarchist assassin was eating.

So yeah a sandwich caused world war one, and from that world war to, and from that cold war. You know what SANDWICHES ARE EVIL, PURE EVIL.

Oh my god. It was a sandwich.

The sandwich destroying world and Monarchies since 1914.

The sandwich destroying world and Monarchies since 1914.[/quote:2r2uz1gm]

You're not funny. Stop trying to be.

I would like to add the USA on to my list, next to England.

You're not funny. Stop trying to be.

I would like to add the USA on to my list, next to England.[/quote:3anuvido]

You do know im not trying to be funny, a Sandwich really did cause world war one, well not really the sandwich its self but the location of the sandwich, one Serbian assassin, and one Austrian archduke.

You're not funny. Stop trying to be.

I would like to add the USA on to my list, next to England.[/quote:3i7v51yn]

You do know im not trying to be funny, a Sandwich really did cause world war one, well not really the sandwich its self but the location of the sandwich, one Serbian assassin, and one Austrian archduke.[/quote:3i7v51yn]
Yeah, hes kinda just stating an unknown fact. I liked Toast better when he wasn't all serious all the time.

Your fucking retarded, aren't you? France and Serbia should man up and take the blame for causing TWO world wars. A bunch of dumb fuck teens funded by the Serbian government and a mentally incompetant frenchmen whining over a small strip of land lost 40 years prior are who we get to thank for millions upon millions of deaths.

My logic behind this:

The French

A legacy of animosity grew between France and Germany following the German annexation of parts of the formerly French territory of Alsace-Lorraine. The annexation caused widespread resentment in France, giving rise to the desire for revenge, known as revanchism.

French Domestic Policy:
A "good old war" was seen the better option for France. For example, on July 29, after he had returned from the summit in St. Petersburg, President Poincaré was asked if war could be avoided. He is reported to have replied: "It would be a great pity. We should never again find conditions better."

Serbs:
On 28 June 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, heir presumptive to the Austro-Hungarian throne, and his wife, Sophie, Duchess of Hohenberg, were shot dead in Sarajevo, by Gavrilo Princip, one of a group of six Bosnian Serb assassins coordinated by Danilo Ili?. The political objective of the assassination was to break off Austria-Hungary's south-Slav provinces so they could be combined into a Greater Serbia or a Yugoslavia. The assassins' motives were consistent with the movement that later became known as Young Bosnia. Serbian military officers stood behind the attack.

At the top of these Serbian military conspirators was Chief of Serbian Military Intelligence Dragutin Dimitrijevi?, his right hand man Major Vojislav Tankosi?, and Masterspy Rade Malobabi?. Major Tankosi? armed (with bombs and pistols) and trained the assassins, and the assassins were given access to the same clandestine tunnel of safe-houses and agents that Rade Malobabi? used for the infiltration of weapons and operatives into Austria-Hungary.

Following the assassinations, Serbian Ambassador to France Milenko Vesni? and Serbian Ambassador to Russia Spalaikovi? put out statements claiming that Serbia had warned Austria-Hungary of the impending assassination. Serbia soon thereafter denied making warnings and denied knowledge of the plot. Prime Minister Paši? himself made these denials to Az Est on 7 July and to the Paris Edition of the New York Herald on 20 July

By 30 June, Austro-Hungarian and German diplomats began making requests for investigation to their Serbian and Russian counterparts. German Undersecretary of State Arthur Zimmermann addressed these requests to ambassadors to Germany. The Austrian Ambassador to Serbia made a similar request to the Secretary General of the Serbian Ministry for Foreign Affairs, Slavko Grui?. Germany and Austria-Hungary were rebuffed. On July 5, based on further interrogations of the assassins, Governor Potiorek was able to telegraph Vienna that Serbian Major Voja Tankosi? had given the assassins instructions. The next day, Austrian Ambassador Czernin approached Russian Foreign Minister Sazonov with the idea that the instigators of the plot against Franz Ferdinand needed to be investigated within Serbia, but he too was rebuffed.

One last avenue of diplomacy and investigation lay open. The lone legal adult amongst the armed assassins was Mehmed Mehmedbaši?. Following the assassination, Mehmedbaši? fled to Montenegro where he was arrested by the police. In Montenegrin custody, Mehmedbaši? confessed to a wider conspiracy including an irredentist Serb terrorist planning meeting in Toulouse, France. Learning of the arrest but not of the confession, Austria-Hungary asked Montenegro to honor their mutual extradition treaty and hand over the assassin. After Montenegro shared Mehmedbaši?’s confession with the French Ambassador, the problem of extradition was solved by permitting Mehmedbaši? to “escape” to Serbia.

Just a few comments

What I think was exceptionally stupid was who the Serbs chose to kill. Archduke Franz Ferdinand was among the minority holding back the floodgates of war in Europe. He also had plans to federalize Austria which would have greatlly helped the Serbians in Austria.

Then we have dumbfuck France who turned a regional war between Germany/Austria and Russia/Serbia into a full blown conflict over a strip of land.

Oh and Charles I was a brave and honourable figure who tried as Emperor to halt World War I. He sincerely wanted peace, and therefore was despised by the whole world. It was a wonderful chance that was lost. He tried to compensate for the evaporation of the ethical power which emperor Franz Joseph had represented by offering ethnical reconciliation. Even as he dealt with elements who were sworn to the goal of destroying his empire he believed that his acts of political grace would have an impact on their conscience. These attempts were totally futile; those people had long ago lined up with our common enemies, and were far from being deterred.

He was the only leader in the entirety of the war to vetoe his nations use of gas attacks on the enemy.

Then theres this:
Catholic Church leaders have praised Charles for putting his Christian faith first in making political decisions, and for his role as a peacemaker during the war, especially after 1917. They have considered that his brief rule expressed Roman Catholic social teaching, and that he created a social legal framework that in part still survives.

Pope John Paul II declared Charles "Blessed" in a beatification ceremony held on 3 October 2004, and stated:

The decisive task of Christians consists in seeking, recognizing and following God's will in all things. The Christian statesman, Charles of Austria, confronted this challenge every day. To his eyes, war appeared as "something appalling". Amid the tumult of the First World War, he strove to promote the peace initiative of my Predecessor, Benedict XV.
From the beginning, the Emperor Charles conceived of his office as a holy service to his people. His chief concern was to follow the Christian vocation to holiness also in his political actions. For this reason, his thoughts turned to social assistance.

milestones
On 14 April 2003, the Vatican's Congregation for the Causes of Saints in the presence of Pope John Paul II, promulgated Charles of Austria's "heroic virtues, and he thereby acquired the title of venerable.
On 21 December 2003, the Congregation certified, on the basis of three expert medical opinions, that a miracle in 1960 occurred through the intercession of Charles. The miracle attributed to Charles was the scientifically-inexplicable healing of a Brazilian nun with debilitating varicose veins; she was able to get out of bed after she prayed for his beatification.
On 3 October 2004, he was beatified by Pope John Paul II. The Pope also declared 21 October, the date of Charles' marriage in 1911 to Princess Zita, as Charles' feast day. The beatification has caused controversy because of the mistaken belief that Charles authorized the Austro-Hungarian Army's use of poison gas during World War I, when in fact he was the first, and only, world leader during the war who banned its use.
On 31 January 2008, a Church tribunal, after a 16-month investigation, formally recognized a second miracle attributed to Charles I (required for his Canonization as a Saint in the Catholic Church); in an uncommon twist, the Florida woman claiming the miracle cure is not Catholic, but Baptist.

The cause or campaign for his canonization began in 1949, when testimony of his holiness was collected in the Archdiocese of Vienna. In 1954, the cause was opened and he was declared servant of God, the first step in the process. The League of Prayers established for the promotion of his cause has set up a website, and Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna has sponsored the cause.

All I can do now is thank wikipedia for being so fucking organized because I really dont want to search through my 50 some books on this topic for the quotes and info.

Fucking finally someone at least finally told it how it is.

I hate Aquelia for being a major pain in the ass for the entire duration of my EU3 game.

But seriously I hate France because NOBODY likes France

I really actually don't care.

First of all calling me a retard is not a helpful way of starting this argument. However i would point out that i do not hate the leader at all I respect his actions alot. But the decleration of war was a result of an ultimatum from austrio-hungarians the terms were most likely however from the german empire knowing it would start a war between Germany and Russia but the fact is the ultimatum was issued to the serbs by the Austrio-Aungarians and resulted in a declaration of war from Ausrio-Hungarians.Yes at the least it would have been a central European regional war but the alliance system then and the rising milatancy of European countries and the attemptto move troops throuh Belgium by Germany let Great Britain intervene when previously they would not. Alsoat the treaty of Versalies with Austrio-Hungary no longer being a country all blame was put on Germany rather than a split between Germans and Austrio-Hungarians responsibility for the war.Your comment on France is simply something that was happening at the time and also if Russia had not come into the war Germany would not and thus France would would declare war on a Neutral Germany in a moment when the Austrio-Hungarians were busy fighting

I think the blame has to go to a string of needless and dumbass alliances that were activated and caused the major countries all to join in. And it WAS Germany's fault invading France through Belgium, which they must have known would have caused the UK to join the war.

Only possible way they could have, had they gone through the normal way through Lichtenstein they would have been stopped at it would have dragged out and they would be in a two part war. Had they gone through Switzerland it would have taken too long to take Paris. The entire plan was to Sweep through Belgium and then take Paris (which they almost did but the troops where advance too quickly for the trains to delver supplies and the momentum staled, so pretty much there on speed killed theme) then after Taking Paris they would have shifted the major majority of the troops of the troops to west to deal with the Russian who they where expecting after the last couple wars that Russia would build up its troops first before attacking (which they didn't and because of that many of the troops that where supposed to be dealing with the french where out dealing with the Russians) then after the vast attack on Russia (a deal would be made between the cousins Kaiser Wilhelm and Czar Nicholas) Now after all this there would be one last Navy battle with Britain and the war would have been over.

Also the fact that the Italians joined the Allies really surprised the Central powers, which they where expecting to either stay Neutral or to invade France.


The Germans surrender terms would be
* That the Netherlands and Belgium get annexed into the empire
* That France pays war retribution (tough it would be pretty low with the war lasting only a year)
* That France give up some of its Asian and African colonies
* That France get a new government (like the walmar republic)
* New Puppet governments shaped out of captured Russian land, all loyal to the German empire.
* Britain respect and noterice, German naval rights and supremacy (which was one of the key parts of the war)
* Parts of Italy and all of Serbia become part of the Austria-Hungary empire
* The polish question be solved
* The ottoman empire have trade with the Germans first
* The ottoman empire Annex parts of Arabia
* And finally The ottomans allowed to "deport" aka Mascaure the Armenian Christians.


Read up on the Schlieffen Plan, Failed in world war one and then worked perfectly in world war 2 (which ironically the french where more powerful then the Nazis)

I don't hate any nationallity just either the people of them... I make fun of every nationality equally.

As it turned out it was already, just against three nations instead of two (if they didn't invade Belgium).

Thats some pretty steep surrender terms for only one year to one and a half years of fighting. You sure about this?

There was the battle of Jutland which had nothing to do with land failures, which resulted in a stalemate. This "last navy battle" would most likely have turned out the same way. (except maybe without the mutiny)

Is unintelligent better?

I take from this mess that you believe Germany made the terms in the ultimatum and then made Austrio-Hungary declare war? Do you even know what the terms were? Ill post them and their meanings here:

1. Suppress all publications which "incite hatred and contempt of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy" and are "directed against its territorial integrity".

They wanted an end to the propaganda laying the frameworks for the unrest in the region. Serbia wanted a great deal of territory owned by Austro-Hungary and tried to incite revolt in the region.

2. Dissolve the Serbian nationalist organisation "Narodna Odbrana" ("The People's Defense") and all other such societies in Serbia.

The Serbs were raising paramilitary and terrorist groups such as Young Bosnia and Austro-Hungary wanted this put to a stop.

3. Eliminate without delay from schoolbooks and public documents all "propaganda against Austria-Hungary".

See one.

4. Remove from the Serbian military and civil administration all officers and functionaries whose names the Austro-Hungarian Government will provide.

This is meant so they could take all officials with ties to Young Bosnia out of positions of authority and power.

5. Accept in Serbia "representatives of the Austro-Hungarian Government" for the "suppression of subversive movements".

AKA We want to send in our people to deal with Young Bosnia and related organizations

6. Bring to trial all accessories to the Archduke's assassination and allow "Austro-Hungarian delegates" (law enforcement officers) to take part in the investigations.

See 2,4,5

7. Arrest Major Voja Tankosi? and civil servant Milan Ciganovi? who were named as participants in the assassination plot.

This should be obvious enough.

8. Cease the cooperation of the Serbian authorities in the "traffic in arms and explosives across the frontier"; dismiss and punish the officials of the at Shabatz Loznica frontier service, "guilty of having assisted the perpetrators of the Serajevo crime".

Stop feeding bombs to your paramilitary terrorists and punish those who helped send bombs over the border.

9. Provide "explanations" to the Austro-Hungarian Government regarding "Serbian officials" who have expressed themselves in interviews "in terms of hostility to the Austro-Hungarian Government".

We want to know who's badmouthing us.

10. Notify the Austro-Hungarian Government "without delay" of the execution of the measures comprised in the ultimatum.

This is also pretty obvious

These are pretty fucking simple demands that could be easily met by Serbia if they had any dignity left in them. But apparently their government would rather go to war then man up and admit their hand in the events to the world.

The Germans had no hand in any of these demands and they could easily be met. This wasnt a rallying point which Germany could use to justify war against Serbia and, in your opinion, Russia. It was Austro-Hungary giving Serbia a peaceful route to take and the option to avoid the bloodshed. Serbia chose the stupidest route possible.

The rest is pure garbage. It would a have been a regional war between Russia/Serbia vs Germany/Austria even with all the alliances accounted for. But because France decided INDEPENDANTLY of any treaty to fight join a war that was none of their concern over a small fucking border province lost 40 years prior they threw gasoline on what would have been a small brush fire. So Germany had to march through belguim in order to avoid what would have been mass suicide marching against the maginot line. Britian then joined the war with proper justification. But it still stands that this wouldnt have happened had France decide not to be a bunch of dicks over a small strip of land.

Germany joining on Austria's side had nothing to do with Russia fighting for Serbia and France starting a shitstorm that caused two world wars had nothing to do with Germany deciding to fight for Austria. Germany would have fought with Austria regardless of Russian involvment and France CHOSE TO GO TO WAR ON THEIR OWN ACCORD. THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GERMANY'S DECLARATION OF WAR ON SERBIA OR RUSSIA.

The plan had a lot flaws, most notably it made too many assumptions like the French railroads would be intact among other things. Moltke is usually blamed for its failure in World War 1 but it was highly flawed. As for World war 2 that was a totally different plan compared to the Schlieffen plan.