The First World War

Any fool can dutifully recite that Communism is a great theory that doesn't work in practice. Fuck, how well does Capitalism's practices sound? Everyone is forced to fend for themselves, people betray their own families for self-interest, those who happen to be born stupid must serve those who are (by pure chance) born intelligent?

Communism has never even been practiced. How can you even say it fails in practice? Perhaps some forms of Leninism and Stalinism and Maoism you might make a case as failures, but Marxism? Trotskyism? Luxemburgism? None of those have been properly enacted. And perhaps the Communist states wouldn't be failures if the entire world didn't instantly try to kill them. It's not like Lenin just walked into the White Palace and that was that. He had to fight basically everyone in order to save the USSR. China had to fight a massive civil war for their Communism. North Korea as well, and they didn't even win. In fact, North Korea was decimated in the war by the American soldiers.

I'd like to see your Capitalist state fight a war and come out a top-notch nation. Hell, it's nice to point to America and the UK and say Capitalism is a massive success. What about Honduras? What about Iran? Malaysia? The Former Yugoslavic nations? They suck to live in. The USSR was a million times better, North Korea is probably a better place to live than Iran.

Other than that, talk to D3adtrap. He'll rip you apart if you argue anything of that sort.

No, during the war there were many guerrilla fighters in Korea that were resisting Japanese control. They didn't have any real success until the last few months of the war. Kim Il Sung happened to lead a major one in the North which also happened to be Stalinist. The Soviets were helping him out like the bros they are, and so when North Korea was formed it instantly became a Soviet ally.

After Japan unconditionally surrendered, Korea was under American jurisdiction. The US let Korea have its independence but with the Northern half not listening to them they only got the South on their side. The North Koreans saw the US as taking half their country, and the South Koreans believed the North Koreans were under their command and had rebelled. Conflict was inevitable.

I dont know if you know this but there was a revolution in America against the British no we did not start as a superpower it is suprising I know. Everything that happened with America happened cause we worked for it. In communism there is no reason for inovation no matter how hard you work you are not going to climb up the social ladder. Atleast in capitalism there is a middle class in communism you are either rich (the government) poor (the worker) or you get special treatment from the government (the military) and what about Vietnam and Cuba have you read or heard any of the stories of people fleeing from Fidel Castro's dictatorship.

First off, I'll probably come back and some point and deal with that WWII nonsense, but since I will need to cite some information, I'm leaving it until later.

So you're claiming that the USSR was communist?

The reason the USSR went to space was to say we can beat you USA and yes they did beat the USA they also created more nukes then us but let's see where all that spending got them.

The USSR wasn't even communist...

Tell that to the United States.

We were learning about RUssia and Eastern Europe and our teacher shoved it down our throats that communism=stalin and lenin.

When I learned about the USSR and the rise and demise of socialism my teacher made it very clear that there has never been a communist state. Only socialist ones. Of course my teacher also thought that Korea was the island of Hainan, and that Hungary was "hungry". And that the Mongols utilized "great strategery".

My teacher claimed that Imperial japan was communist.

How did talk of communism and WW2 come up in a WW1 thread? And the only way there would be a comminist dtate is if Kaiserreich happened.

Because the poll entitled the central powers "the axis". Which led to WWII discussion.

I see. And the Allies should be the Entente.

Yes quite. And I added in the Jews in jest.

And? The US's power came from the manpower, land, and natural resources that are in wide abundance in the US. It was bolstered by the geopolitical situation in the early to mid 1900s into the juggernaut it is today.

We sure worked to get those immigrants that supplied our manpower. I mean we only discriminated against the Irish, the Jews, the Italians, the Germans... Basically everyone. But you know. Worked for it.

And also for that land and resources. I mean we ripped off Napoleon who apparently sucks at real estate and beat the living shit out of Mexico. And it's even better because the Mexico we beat the shit out of was already ravaged by so much political infighting it was almost comical. Fuck, a bunch of cowboys with shotguns were able to beat the Mexicans and made Texas. It was a fucking cake-walk.

And notice, up until WWII we were always on the side most likely to win. We exploited every opportunity possible to increase our might. The Spanish American War, for instance, is a great example of us just kicking around some dying power.

There is no social ladder to climb up because Communism disbands the social pyramid.

No, you get shit as a middle class worker. While you bust ass in a factory for a house that you don't even actually own (pretty much always a bank owns the house because no one can pay off their mortgages) some fatcat is drinking wine for being the son of a hardworking man who happened to get lucky and make a successful company.

There is no poor, there is no rich. There is only the proletariat.

In a true Communist society there would be no military.

Shit countries with shit leadership will always be shitty. My point was that you were taking shit nations and saying they were shit because of Communism when in fact it didn't matter what they called themselves. I'm not saying Capitalism is the reason why the Congo sucks ass either (though it doesn't help). It just sucks ass.

The distinction made in my high school between the US and the USSR was that the US operated a mixed-market economy, while the USSR was a command economy. Socialism and communism weren't discussed outside of government/civics, where we simply learned the fundamentals of the ideology.

True but there will never be true communism unless the world bands together under one banner which would probobaly require some violence (WW3). Also my middle school history teacher hid a Soviet mathmatician from the CIA and was a translator during peace talks she was not in any way biased towards either side. Countries like Congo and others are plauged by many other things besides the evils of capitalism such as civil war. Also yes we did discrimenate against many races ohh wait so did the rest of the world my mistake. Theories will always be theories no matter how nice they may sound that is all they are by trying to tare apart capitalism you will only create suffering, you must understand billions of people have there money in capitalist systems and you will never be able to shut that down without causing WW3. Also I am not going to call this class warfare but in America if you are rich it is because of a reason you generally dont just inherit your money and there is no nobility so therefor you had to earn it by coming up with a idea that changes the world such as Steve Jobs did. And yes most people do actoully manage to pay off their morgages as long as you are smart about your spending and are smart in what you invest in and plan ahead you should be fine. It may surprise you from the stereotype you seem to have about capitalism but in places such as America we do not have throngs of starving people littering the streets and we deffinitely have less of a theft problem then in places like Spain or Italy which are both substantially more left wing then we are.

That doesnt sound like a society I would want to live in.

My family is middle class. Lower middle class actually. My parents are not busting their asses in a factory, and besides a small struggle with money, we are getting along fine. Stop confusing lower class with middle class. Also, I want you to travel the country and tell me how many factories you find in America.

Stop spouting meaningless ideological nonsense.

Then a true communist society would never last more than a week.

Adding on to this, my family is lower class, and my father does in fact work in a factory. Why? Not because of the capitalist system, or evil corporate overlords, but because my father was expelled from his high school and didn't pursue a higher education. We accept that. We don't try and sugarcoat it, we don't blame it on somebody else, and we sure as hell don't claim that we are entitled to other people's money. We are not socially immobile, my mother has been attending college and is going to start bringing in money, and she was homeless last year.

What you'll find if you look at most socialists (especially in countries like America) is that most of them are middle to upper class angsty children (or adults with a child's mindset) who need something to complain about, or get absorbed into the red culture because they need to feel accepted and are socially awkward. For most it's just a phase.
But it's a still disgusting phase.