The Border

Do I need to explain that whole "Kali would make a better president then me" thing again?

What's the point of even supporting an ideology that won't happen?

We don't have the power to say what other countries consider legal.

Again, terrible idea.

Obviously you haven't spent much time around them.

@Demon
Again, this is why I said mostly I'm annoyed that you're just talking within the framework of your ideology that will never see the light of this century. This is one of those situations where extremists just ignore problems.[/quote:3impofzg]
Kali, I don't like the way you think. It's... selfish.

Read: practical. Don't buy into that "citizen of the world" crap.

I hate it when people do that "Read:____". It's annoying. And thinking like yours won't solve all of the worlds problems.

Anarchism or Technocracy? Anarchism isn't a ideology so I assume you're talking about technocracy. Why is technocracy impossible again?

Since when? Of course it's an ideology.

Impossible? Perhaps not impossible, but it's supposed to trend into existence regardless of what we do.

@Shaw
It's the kind of thinking that actually matters because it has an actual chance of happening.

I hate it when people do that "Read:____". It's annoying. And thinking like yours won't solve all of the worlds problems.[/quote:3qtsbdj5]

No, it's thinking like his that will make a shitty situation more livable. I would love if it we could all hold hands, legalize drugs, and all the worlds problems would fade away, but the it doesn't work that way. America shouldn't help Mexico in any way. If they can't get their own shit together, that's a problem with their government. America should not risk the welfare of her people for another nation. That is counterproductive to what a government is supposed to do, which is protect their people.

It's a social theory, but I can see how you would view it as an ideology considering the elements that have come to be the majority within the movement.

Is that really a bad thing?

It's an ideology. Anarchism is no different in structure than any other ideology.

No, but if it's inevitable, what's the point of advocacy?

Again, I can see how you would view it as such. I'm exactly happy with the movement myself.

Technocracy comes about when people understand it and want it.

No, it's thinking like his that will make a shitty situation more livable. I would love if it we could all hold hands, legalize drugs, and all the worlds problems would fade away, but the it doesn't work that way. America shouldn't help Mexico in any way. If they can't get their own shit together, that's a problem with their government. America should not risk the welfare of her people for another nation. That is counterproductive to what a government is supposed to do, which is protect their people.[/quote:ujuewlfz]
Okay here's a compromise, tightening border security in the short term and legalizing drugs would help us, and as a side effect help Mexico with stability. Win win all around, right?

Mexico is a shit-hole. They need to clean it themselves. End of Story.

Oh yeah mexico is a shitty place right oh yeah it just sucks. Other then the fact that most of the clothes you are most likely wearing right now Came from mexico. Also the solemn fact that most of North america's oil is shared by mexico and Canada OH and let's not forget about that whole not Industial Nation now right Mexico is the shittiest place ever because people can't afford cars and their Government Which barely Was made Democratic by voting can't seem to get their shit together. Oh yeah let's legalize DRUGZ because their the reason mexico is in Big trouble not because of their recovering government DRUGZ makes mexico and the U.S. sad. Oh yeah let's make the situation more FUNNEH by closing off the border and only allow the citizens who can PAY MONIEZ citizenship in our GREAT FAMILY FRIENDLY COUNTRY. Let's just ignore the dire position those poor old mexicans to the south are in because they can Protect their own people. OH and let's go over to the MIDDLE EAST and Blow some shit up and Bring DEMOCRACY! FUCK those poor Beaners to the south!!!

If they aren't going to legally immigrate to America, I would want them out too. They are a burden on society who aren't doing their part, and they hurt the job market. If they legally immigrate though, congratulations. They deserve everything America has to offer.

I like them being in America, they keep the price of food down (otherwise we would be paying something like $10 for a tomato). As long as we can keep the subversive element out I fail to see a problem with them being around.

Romulus that was almost completely unintelligible, but you contradict yourself in any case. If Mexico actually is competent and powerful then they do not need our help. If they aren't they don't deserve it.

What remains wholly true is that Mexico isn't our responsibility. America is responsible for Americans. We can intervene where we see fit, but we don't have to do anything for anyone else. Illegal immigration causes considerable harm to our country. It's very much in our interest to stop it.

@Mayor
Well you've got a large group of people upsetting the labor output-wage ratio and reinforcing failing business by providing room to cut where the law would require them to spend.

Do you know how hard it is to get in the U.S?

First you apply for a Visa which costs money then you take your Citizenship Exam which also costs money then you wait and if your visa Expires Your deported.

Little fun fact for Ya' Applying for a Visa you need a Job a High school education and a Down payment which Varies. but you wouldn't know because you were born here and so was I but my uncle was not he was a soldier for the mexican Home forces fighting the Cartels.

Compared to most countries it's quite easy, actually.

These are all extremely reasonable requirements. Would you prefer that we just let in uneducated, unemployed, poor people?

Yes but you still have to have an agriculture sector and they are the only ones willing to fill that job opening. would you rather our agrarian sector fall by the wayside?