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Interesting fact a small town in BC is the marijuana capital of the world.

Scandanavia is an unsustainable mess right now.

Norway's oil wont last forever, they'll need to find a new source of income.
Sweden sucks, it has been getting more free-market, but still I don't even know how they aren't completly broke yet. Actually I think they are and are pretending they're not, like the rest of the West.

Also, @1st Page, both America and Canada have shitton of oil in their countries. It's just that it's cheaper to import Oil from the Middle East than drilling a lot of it from America. I mean a smooth sail from Saudi Arabia to New York is pretty easy. Drilling up in Northern Alaska is tough shit, and you have to pay workers a lot more.

Not to mention regulation is a lot tighter in America and Canada than in places like Saudi Arabia.

So Scandinavia is in a mess because there are no sources to support that they are in a mess and thus they are in a mess because they are hiding that they are in a mess?

Good thinking Watson!

More a mess like an abomination of art made of glue and popsicle sticks.
Norway runs out of (cheap) oil, they lose the glue and fall over.
Sweden runs our money to steal from the rich/money to borrow, lose their glue and fall over.

Then why is most of our oil our own then?

Because it's cheaper most of the time to drill up in the Yukon or something and use an oil pipe south than it is to import it way over from the Middle East. Usually, that is.
And as time progresses you'll probably be more and more "relient" on foreign oil. Assuming Canada keeps up or increases oil consumption, that is.

First of all that oil is the second largest confirmed oil field in the world so it's not running out anytime soon and secondly doesn't that contradict what you said about it being cheaper to drill in Saudi Arabia.

It will hardly ever run out, the problem is it being expensive to get.

I was refering mostly to America, but because labor costs, regulations, environmental protection laws, etc. are generally less or non-exsistant in Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Oiled Middle East it can be, somtimes, cheaper to drill and ship all the way to Canada than just drill in the icy-fringes of Canada.

Not to mention drilling in Canada becomes incredibly difficult and has to just about shutdown in the Winter. The Middle East can stay open just about the whole year.

Well alot of countries who have alot of oil within their borders rely on its income for prosperity, it has practically nothing to do with how free your market is.

Sweden actually has quite low governement debt compared to the rest of Europe and both Finland and Norway have less governement debt then the US which has a freer market.

Yes, they do. But they don't piss it away on medicare and medicade or something. They give it to companies who provide jobs and a long-term economic prosperity base. Oil should be used as a stepping stone to more industry and industrialisation.

Sweden has a "lower" debt because it has a lower population and economy size. Proportionatly it's the same size, if not higher.
That's because the US has a shitton of social programs for a lot more people, as well as 48% of the ENTIRE world's military budget. Not to mention the recession and the numerous government interventions, etc. that suck away more and more.

In reality, America's free market isn't very much a free market with bailouts, subsidies, etc. The "freedom" in it has decayed, so has the economy. It's doing just as bad, really.

Social security programs increase consumption, thus they also provide "jobs and long-term economic base".

At the end of your post you attack among other things subsidies in America because it decays the economy, but at the beginning of the post you seem to be calling for money to be dispensed by the state to companies, sounds like subsidies to me.

Western economies are service based economies instead of industry based economies, industry is being moved out of the West because of comparative cost advantages, you proposal to create more industry isnt very helpfull in that respect.

Governement debt is calculated as a ratio compared to the countries GDP, so the size of that country doesnt actually matter. Furthermore it seems like you are trying to argue that the US has more social-democratic-esque reforms than Sweden? (bar the military spending)

I have friend who works on one of these oil drills and and they work year round.

How far north is he?

No they don't. It takes a lot of heavily taxed workers and capitalists in order to maintain a welfare state. Ultimatly, it costs more to keep them alive for a few years than the workers and capitalists can be taxed. Not to mention since they tax the shit out of companies to pay for it it can easilly harm jobs and job security.

No, I'm saying oil should not be controlled by the state, but that companies should find it and drill it themselves without getting taxed to hell for it. That's not subsidies at all.

Same old same old. Although I was mostly talking about the Middle East. Not to mention robotics, etc. Anyway, it can help service based economies too, but the effects are lighter, a bit. I mean obivously if you turn your country into a giant super-market things don't turn out so well.

Anyway, that depends on how you calculate debt.
No, I'm saying America has more people to pay for. Sweden has only like 9.5 million people, America has 300 million. Basiclly our expenses are 30x worse.

People who receive welfare dont just receive it and then just keep the money for themselves without doing anything with it, they also spend it, therefore a drop in the amount of money spend in welfare will also reflect a drop in consumption primarily in the fields of consumption goods and primary goods.

This was in reference to a post by me about countries, so the use of the word "they" would refer to the word country. Therefore what you are saying is that "they" (the countries) should give it to the companies, therefore making it subsidies.
Nitpicking aside generally I have little problem with private exploitation of oil mines if these companies respect safety and ecological regulations.

A service economy does not just refer to supermarkets, plus most western economies are generally 70% something based on a service economy and are thus by your standards "a giant supermarket" yet they are the most economically prosperous in the world.

When you compare debt between countries you use standards of comparison to allow you to compare between countries of different sizes. And as I said the differences in debt are calculated while taking into account these different sizes. And yes the US has more people to pay for, but it also has more people to pay for them. Thus to explain this again, yes the US has more debt in absolute terms then Sweden because of its size, but the debts are divided by the GDP of the country in question, so the debt of the US might be bigger then the debt of Sweden, its GDP is also bigger. Therefore through this calculation it is possible to compare debt sizes of countries that are not of the same size.

Far enough North that he gets an Arctic living allowance.

going a little kal style but who cares

Actually that is one of the things we spend the most mony on as we are based on a socialist doctorin.
we have free health care here, check youre facts. the goverment in Norway pays for most of youre medical needs (not dentist and minor pills). the state fully covers any surgery and medical check ups.

Oil is not the only resorce Norway has and it is not the most important either.
In the early 1930 we were one of the poorest countries in europe, then came world war 2 where we supplied most of the merchant ships, but after the discovery of oil feilds in the norwegian sea gave us a hefty slump of money we were able to invest it visley. Now we sell "clean" electricity from our many water magazines ( a tecnology we are leading the way in) we are also seting up huge windmill parks in the fucking ocean. We have a crap load of fish and have shown that we are easly capable of becoming the third largest exporter of fish (but because of harsh regulations to keep the fish population high so we can overfish if the economy gets bad we are curently 7th). the bussines industry is booming here aswell in all eras of experties. i could go on and on but because of some stupid submiting thing wont scroll down as i type i cant se what im writing.

(also i have to add. We are part of a eurpean space program and had a one of a kind satilite witch sadly got destroyed as the rocket exploded, the fault was traced back to a single swedish guy)

Does Norway feel the same about Finland as it does Sweden and vice-versa.