Dictator of Tibet Steps Down

It's pretty much common knowledge that Mao is the force behind both of these... Their effects were devastating and horrendous, and I think that is what Che is contending.

I never said the great leap forward was not Mao's..... I gave you the fact that Mao or his party was not incharge of agriculture, grain production of the starvation. That was the nationalist party. The great leap forward was not Mao's plan to starve of millions (even though it was the nationalist party that did this to keep maximum profits) it was to give China a "Great Leap Forward" and it did. China was one of the most backwards nations at the time do to the Nationalist Party and its Capitalist policy's. Mao brought China from a almost feudal nation to a world power (that defeated America in the Korean war might I add) and even united China. No warlords or no independant "nations" within China. That had never been done before.

Che, my dad lived through that era (I'm of Chinese descent) and he has always said that that the Great Leap Forward was a massive fail , contradicting all that you're saying. There was nothing good about either the Cultural Revolution or the Great Leap Forward. Dismiss an eyewitness account, if you can. Deng Xiaoping's semi privatisations made China prosperous, Mao was an absolute disaster. The irony is you can blame Mao for the CCP turning away from a Soviet style economy.

State Capitalist*

che you do not know a lot about china do you if you think that it being one nation is a good thing and china was fully united nation before but that weakened it from being the most power nation on the planet to the plaything of the europes

English please.

"Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense?
It won' t do! It won't do! You must investigate! You must not talk nonsense!"
-Mao

If we confine the deaths Mao was responsible for to strictly deliberate killings (not the mass starvation), he was still responsible for 10 million deaths in his effort to suppress "counter-revolutionaries." http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm#Mao

Wow Che. Your pathetic attempt at wiping away my opinion because i'm 5 years younger then you is sad...

Anyways, i've read a few books on Mao. That man was just...Brutal. I hear countless eyewitness accounts of him during his reign and during the Long March, and before.

Even his 'Buddies' said that during the long march he would be in one of those little chair things, while 4 people would hold up a pole, which would make it so that he wouldn't have to walk, while everyone else did.

Not to mention, That adding to direct killings, he wiped out most of the people who brought him into power, or put them into prison.

In Summary, Mao was a pathetic, Ruthless dictator, who had to destroy his country to get any progress.

If you destroy your country it's not progress.

I guess sarcasm really doesn't travel over internet

No it doesn't I remember a comedian saying something like we need a standard sarcasm font.

italics man we all just need to use italics when we're being sarcastic
I think this works

Sorry, i'll italize it up next time

This is something I actually agree with Che on.

The Dalai Lama has been using a religion to manipulate the Tibetan people. They were incredibly backwards before the Chinese came. I will take the Chinese over the Dalai Lama any day.

I think you meant to say it like this.

If not, then that is the single most absurd thing I have heard all day.

@Hayeksplosives




Someone got the joke. I will try to remember italics next time.

You were joking? :?

You never can be sure around here.