Was Pol Pot a communist?

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In my opinion Pol Pot was a

Communist 7 vote(s) 19.4%
Opportunist 6 vote(s) 16.7%
His ideology doesn't matter for he still killed thousands of people 21 vote(s) 58.3%
A hero to all of Cambodia, Long live Pol Pot 2 vote(s) 5.6%
  1. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Pol Pot was never a communist but instead a opportunist, infact one of the worst slanders against communism (Specifically Maoist version of communism) is that Pol Pot is a communist which is simply not the case in any regard.

    Pol Pot was the leader of the Khmer Rouge (an ethnic Cambodian race) that gained power by helping the country side fight a U.S backed regime. Which we can see right here is going to give Pol Pot a more less communist name in order for the United states to create more Backlash and hate towards the regime. It is because of this we need to separate U.S propaganda lies from truth and thus a little backstory is required.

    By 1975 10% of the Cambodian population (600,000 people) had been killed by U.S bombings in the Vietnam war, The united states would send troops into Cambodia several times to search for Vietcong soldiers and supplies lines to the Vietnam. This constant bombings of the nations of Vietnam, Cambodia, and even Laos created 2-3 million refuges as well as destroyed the country side which under the Lol Nol regime lead to mass starvation as well as a dependency on U.S/U.N food aid (It is important to note on several times the U.S/U.N promised to ship 800 billion dollars of supplies to Cambodia, but only 100 billion got through)

    While this was going on the Khmer rouge got into power during the worst of possible times: Mass starvation (Caused by U.S bombings) Cambodia was also the poorest nation in the world at the time and 1/3rd of its population where refuges

    This was some of the most terrible of times to gain power for mass starvation was running rampant in the countryside and it was absolutely necessary to get farming back into full gear, so Pol Pot did what was absolutely reqired and forced the people back out into the Country side to pick up farming yet again

    The west will whine that this is forced agriculture and that this was causing lots of deaths, though they didn't have a problem with the former regimes in the country causing the mass starvation. Pol Pot and the Khmer rouge did the only thing that seemed like a solution to the problem at hand, and it worked (Will notice that this is a recurring theme from the west who slam the Greats like Mao and Stalin with Collectivization agriculture complete ignore the fact that the people need to eat and the situation in the country required it, though those two are entire topics all together)

    After the later killings of Pol Pot the actually communist nation of Vietnam invaded to bring this all to an end, the estimate 2-3 million killed by Pol Pot is a gross overstatement, Infact according to Scandinavian news sources (far more trust worthy then U.S) determined fewer than a million people died under Pol Pot, with many of the deaths being against the Vietnamese.

    It is then that another famine spread across the land killing a good 2 million or 30% of the population, which the international community set back and watched until the pairs agreement was in accord and even then send enough aid to act like they cared. (Though I give props for some U.N officials like the greatest ever Sergio vieira de mello for actually helping)

    It is extreme important to note that
    * Mao never once considers Pol Pot to be a Maoist let alone a communist and infact calls him a opportunist, if the creator of Maoism does not consider you one then you are not
    *Pol Pot supported the regime of Hua Guofeng and considered the gang of four (Mao's true successors) to be counterrevolutionary, the gang of four consisted of Jiang Qing, Zhang Chunqiao, Yao Wenyuan, and Wang Hongwen and supporting Hua Guofeng is like supporting a capitalist.

    It was after the fall of grace of the Gang of Four and the rise of Hua Guofeng and eventually Deng Xiaoping that Pol Pot started calling Himself a Maoist, when Deng Xiaoping came into power Pol Pot changed his mind and started praising Deng Xiaoping and never again mentioned his Maoism.
    Pol Pot was never a Maoist and was instead an Opportunist, meaning that he was whatever was popular at the time and Supported whoever was in power and willing to help, this was usually China (Who sent aid and troops to non-communist troops in Africa in order to gain self governance and freedom) he relied more heavily on the Chinese during the Vietnamese occupation of the country. Who the Vietnamese where the real Communist, not Pol Pot (It is important to note that Vietnamese invasion of the country comes from the fact that needed to stop Pol Pot form killing ethnic Vietnamese in Cambodia)

    To say Pol Pot is a communist is an absolute lie, he was an Opportunist trading hand and favor with the person most willing to help, had the united states of america helped out he would have easily gone "I am a Capitalist".

    Always remember that not every group that calls itself Communist is so like the soviets after Stalin, and the Chinese after Mao. They Only give lip service to Karl Marx and his teachings, the working class, Proletarian internationalism, and a need to build a classless society (Which Pol Pot did none of these)

    Pol Pot group tried to win the peasantry to an anti-working class anarchist line, not the Pro-working communist class of the Chinese Maoist.

    It is for these Reasons that Pol Pot cannot and should not be considered a communist/Maoist, and if he is well then Ronald Reagan is one as well. Pol Pot=/= Maoism, Mao=Maoism
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    I love option 4 so i chose it, but for reals he was a mass murdering commie
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    Yes because what a class in the united states is going to teach you is so going teach you the truth and go omg Pol Pot is not a communist, which he wasn't he was an Opportunist. and remind me to call everything you post copy-paste.

    Edit: But I'm going to watch the debate of this thread and see what people put, but still it would be nice if people actually read and tried to get a clear understanding but whatever.
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    Best response ever of all time.
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    Yes, unfortunately that response was in fact copy-pasted.
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    As was this one. but no seriously do bother to read.
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    Aw no I just read it
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    Your thoughts.
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    RONG!!!!!!!! That is not what they say on deadliest warrior, the most fact laden show in the entire universe, and is therefore rong.
    (If you don't get the joke, watch the DW episode about pol pot.)
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    Pol Pot was not a communist, what kind of commie after his revolution mass killings, decide to kill all educated people and then form a perfect (grow shit everywhere) campaign and work people in rice paddies to death.

    More of a opportunist. The other options are not "just" at the voting options.
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    Deadliest warrior sucked during the third season so I would never degrade my self to watch that propaganda spilling bullshit, instead they should have focused on fighting instead of well he blah.
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    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT, dude, DW is obviously not propaganda spewing bullshit, I mean, it's not like the Americans ALWAYS win...... I agree

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    On the topic of DW... third season sucked balls because they got rid of the original software dude, and replaced with some fat guy (US army) and a bald child molester that is ex US army as well.

    I wanted my NKSF to own those damn rangers.. =( But in any case they should just focus on the fighting and just "Ha my guy beat yours feeling"

    edit- Btw Jack118 the US Green berets lost to the Spetznaz in DW.. But that was in Season 2.
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    I KNOW BENREFE, EVERYTHING I HAVE PREVIOUSLY STATED IS TRUE, AND I WAS DEFINITELY BEING SARCASTIC. ...........RARRRRRRRGH DEADLIEST WARRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOORRR!!!!!!!!!!!
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    It got pretty bad during the Vietcong vs Nazi one when instead of focusing on fighting they just spend 10 mins going WELL YEAH THE VIETCONG BEAT MERICA So they win, or well the Nazis are more evil.

    The show should have focus on fighting and weapons not ideology, unless there focusing on devotion to ideology then well do a quick "There communist they like it, blah o.k here is there weapons"

    I also think alot of it is dumbed down for the viewer at home, especially during the third season when they start to talk about military tactics.
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    Scarier than that was the poll that they showed in one of their episodes saying that almost 90% of viewers who take stupid polls get most of their military/war info from the show.......
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    Season 1 was a good base for the series, Season 2 was getting there with only a few "oh they did this to this army and such and yeah they should win" and then Season 3 just shat on us. Season 4 will probably be butchered but as long as they got interesting matchups. like...(My suggested Japanese Ronin vs German Landsnecht) "The ultimate mercenary duel" we will see lol,

    But as to on topic on Pol Pot was not a Communist.
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