So, this is half-rant, half-political-coffeehouse. Anyway, I'm watching this show about kids and guns (Young Guns or Kids With Guns) - a show about these six-to-eight year-olds shooting with assault rifles, UZIs, etc. in the US. Just, what the f*ck is wrong with these people? I knew gun control in the US was a bit 'loose', but I had no idea that freakin' five-year-olds were allowed to shoot! Seriously, they blame these high school shootings on video games- what about gun control? I mean, you got a ten year old, shootin' an uzi. And who's to say he won't steal his dad's rifle four years later, and kill a teacher, for giving him/her a bad grade! Sure, I'd have a pistol in my house, for protection, but I would have a damned armory, and I wouldn't let my ten-year old even look at it! Here's a seven-year-old saying how she'd rather shoot than learn, 'cause she doesn't have to think..... *EPIC FACE/PALM!!* Now that the rant part is over, I wanna hear your opinion - how's with gun control in your country? And what do you think about it in the US? PS: Yeeeeah... wasn't really sure if this falls into the Political side or the Off-topic side (since it included a rant). Mods, please forgive me and if need be, please just move the topic. Thanks
A lot of that comes down to state law though. I know in PA, where I grew up, you can't shoot until you're 10. It really shocks me to see that any range anywhere would allow kids that young to fire off assault riffles. Noting of course that most civilian AK's can't fire in fully auto, but still, it is a little discerning. I don't really think you could make the jump from a kid shooting a gun to a kid shooting up a school though. I think that has a lot more to do with psychological imbalances then with history with firearms.
As far as I knew automatic weapons were illegal for civilians to privately own in America, besides the gun show loophole, and I know for a fact that it is extremely hard to purchase automatic ammo. And it has nothing to do with laws. Parents let their children around these weapons because they see nothing wrong with it. The whole teacher shooting thing has nothing to do with gun control, because I never heard that those weapons were legally purchased by the students, but were either procured illegally or stolen.
You need to obtain a class 3 license to legally own an automatic firearm in the united states. It's not really difficult, a stricter background check and it costs a LOT more to purchase. Auto versions of assault riffles fire the same ammunition as their semi automatic counterparts so I'm not sure what you mean about the ammo. I don't know where someone would get belt-fed or linked ammunition, but the fact that the weapons themselves are in excess of 30-40k to purchase with the license, at that point you're probably not in a position where money is an option
I think it's horrible that people allow their kids to use firearms. Their purpose is to kill, nothing else. I would never let my kids close to a gun if I had kids or guns. It's like that mum who bought her 10 year old son a rifle for christmas, told him to bring out the garbage or something and he got mad and shot her.
During the summer someone had a hand gun near where I live, 5 SWAT teams and 2 helicopters were called in.
This only applies in certain states. Some states such as Idaho and New Mexico allow all citizens to own full automatic firearms. As long as they're not felons or otherwise prohibited from gun ownership. No extra license required. But, yes, in my state I need a Class-3 to own them. And it's supposed to be for historical or collector use only. Since my state doesn't support across the board full auto ownership, finding belted ammo locally is just not possible. But Idaho is close and I can buy it there all day long. And you're right about ones that have semi-auto "civilian" counterparts. The ammo used is identical and usually available at Wal*Mart. And to Coexistence - The gun show loophole has nothing to do with full automatic guns. In fact, the gun show loophole isn't really as the main stream media portrays it at all. They make it seem like it's the wild wild west at a gun show as far as sales goes. Not true. Most shows require that you have a membership to buy/sell/trade firearms. As part of your membership they perform the federally mandated background check. As long as you're a member in good standing it is presumed that you're legal to own firearms. Yes, there is room for abuse and it's not the perfect system but it's hardly the anarchy portrayed by the media. The legal transactions at such shows far outweigh any shady deals. Most auctions and estate sales don't do any checks at all beyond if you've got the cash. They're actually more open to abuse than the gun shows. But gun shows draw the attention. As to the original post and topic - Sensational "shock value" programming like this is entertaining but don't think all ranges are like this. Nor all gun owners. Most of us are very responsible concerning children with firearms. Sadly, it's not hard to find some yahoos to make us all look bad. I learned to shoot around first grade. With a pellet gun. Moved up to a .22 around eight or so, and by the time I was a teenager I was given unrestricted access to shoot whatever I wanted. But I was taught proper respect for the guns and all the safety precautions. Target shooting and hunting are great hobbies. Especially for children. There is a lot to be learned about responsibility, respect, courtesy, safety, and a host of other things. But it has to be done properly. The video described shows the dark side of kids and guns. Irresponsible adults in charge of kids that obviously know no better.
Yeah, I live in PA too, and the rules are probably some of the best. State by state varies. But nationally, a gun manufacturer cannot sell automatic weapons. Still, in some states there is no rule against modification. Also, to get something like an AK with full auto, you'd have to get a collector's license from the FEDERAL government, either find someone who owns a legal AK-47, or order it from overseas. Then I don't know how you would get Warsaw pack ammo compatible. Also, the borough I live in has a ordinance that says that it is illegal to openly carry a weapon, even with permit. I do agree that it is unConstitutional, but where I live is not a place where packing heat is neccesary.
fave gun kids would do damage if they at least handle this gun (note this is airsoft)^^ :idea: :idea: :twisted: :twisted: :lol: :lol:
Pa has a statewide open carry policy, but I could see a borough over riding that, because you can still get cited for inciting a riot if you open carry. I assume you can conceal carry with the permit though? The only place they told me I couldn't carry was class 1 Cities (ie philly and pittsburg)
Yes, concealed it is legal, but I wouldn't want a cop to find out even if I did. But do you really need it? Because, what most people do not think about is that a gun is an escalator. Every time a gun is in play there is a chance of fatality. I don't have a problem with kids handling firearms as long as it is under strict, responsible adult supervision AND they are thoroughly instructed on the dangers and responsibilities of handling a firearm. After that, they could shoot and RPG for all I care.
And most of the time I don't carry, but if I'm in certain areas where I perceive the likely hood of me getting jumped/mugged to be higher I'll carry. Now I have a unique set of skills and training that enables me to evaluate threats, and apply the proper escalation of force while being aware of my surrounding and the potential repercussions of my actions. So I feel like I can safely and responsibly carry, and in the event that I need to brandish or discharge my firearm I will do so judiciously and with great care
This is my opinion too. As for gun control. I don't think criminals will follow a law that doesn't allow them to carry guns. So why disarm a law abiding person which would only use the gun to defend him/herself? You should only give guns to kids if you are sure that they are mature enough.
No, not at all. I would trust My child, when i have one, with MAYBE a BB gun strictly because you are held responsible for everything that child does. So when he shoots his eye out (or the neighbors) you are the one who has to pay, and likely be sued. i dont care whose watching my child. there are too many games out there that could respond to my child negatively.
