(False) Historical stereotypes

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  1. GeneralofCarthage Well-Known Member

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    People also refer to it as the Vietnam Conflict....
  2. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    I call it the Vietnam War.
    The APUSH book I studied out of called it the Vietnam War.
    The AP WH book I studied out of called it the Vietnam War.
    Everybody on this thread called it the Vietnam War. Except you.
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    No I call it the Vietnam War. :p
  4. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    I could deign to put up a fight and argue with you because I can see plenty of things I could rip you apart with, but I'm not going to. I don't feel like getting into some long ass debate which is why I simply gave you an overview of my point. Once again, I'm not gonna bother arguing.
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    sure you could :rolleyes:
    @PineappleJoe said well to somebody, who did the same thing you are doing" I would reply to this post with a witty response. Since I'm not going to I'm just going to post this and say that i could have. Just so everyone knows. It's extremely necessary. I mean if I didn't post this how would anyone know that i could have made a witty response. Not posting anything is simply not an option"
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    intellectual manhood, you say? well thank you
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    America Always wins.
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    Except they have never won in Hockey
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    Or Indochina.
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    I'm going to have to ask you to put that away.
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    fine..fine, hope i didn't traumatize anyone
  12. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    Another common myth perpetuated by the left is that their members aren't Lovecraftian abominations, but are in fact humans like us. I'd say that's about as believable as Ronald's Lurker.
  13. yuri2045 A Marines Biologist

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    That's more than 20 years later after the war, of course they can take down T-55s when they had much more high tech shells than what anyone had during WW2. The Tiger concept is horrible because as you said, the mechanic part of the tiger was a mess, but it wasn't made as a tank destroyer, it was indeed a heavy infantry support tank and it did well on that (apart from it needing constant repairs). Also the Panzer IVs and Vs were not meant to be used as infantry support due to the german fighting doctrines, so they would off course fare horrible in forested and urban areas.
    The only tank you would even put in the table as one of the best in the war was the Panther, but as we all know, it just wasn't as cost-effective as a Sherman or T-34. =)
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  14. Achtung Kommunisten! Well-Known Member

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    I imagine you don't see many Tigers or Panthers around after the war because no-one would want to be seen dead in them, and there simply weren't as many as Allied tanks. They mostly got scrapped or treated like shit by Eastern Bloc nations. Apparently France had a whole unit of Panthers up until 1950 though.
    And most of us have probably heard about Panzer IVs being used by Syria (according to a check on Wikipedia, they got them from from Spain and France).
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    The Korean War ended
    False, the Korean war never ended. An armistance was signed by both sides.
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  16. yuri2045 A Marines Biologist

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    That explains why we still have 2 'Koreas' =)
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    I posted this mainly because of the vietnam argument to get onto another topic and also because a lot of students in my school think the Korean war is over.
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  18. Achtung Kommunisten! Well-Known Member

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    Maybe they're not totally wrong, if they simultaneously believe that 'Korean War' actually means the period of deployment of US troops.
  19. TheKoreanPoet Well-Known Member

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    True, but an armistice is when both sides agree to stop fighting for now. Kinda like pausing a video game to grab a snack. Unless there is a peace treaty, the war is still going on, it's just that no one is fighting it.
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    What I meant was that they got out t-55 out of their garages even in 1973, bad phrasing. But anyway Israelis used the same shells in the Sherman as the allies did in ww2, they only altered the shell to use a smaller cartridge.

    Also I am pretty sure that tiger was made to counter the unexpectedly formidable Soviet armor- mainly t-34 and kv-1.....

    But anyhow I would never choose the panther as the best tank of ww2, it too broke most of the time before even getting to the battlefield, and as for the the forest-urban aspect I hardly would call that off by just those reasons, by the time the panther came up on the field, Germans damn well knew what it had against were it was going to be used, sounds like design flaw to me (simply but) I also want stress how unreliable the panther was, again, with the tiger. But the panzer iv did well and was good tank with working in construction with infantry, best German tank in the war.

    Exactly, panther wasn't cost-effective that's the point, if only 30% of tank casualties on all sides were inflicted by other tanks, what's the bloody point in building heavy tanks who can only slug on each other? But I am getting bit carried away, my original point was that Sherman wasn't a bad tank and is with the t-34 best medium tank of ww2. And because medium tanks were the tanks that mattered, it makes it better than the panther in contest of "best tank in the war". (now just so we are clear, I do think heavy tanks mattered but they had to work in conjunction with medium tanks etc Germans did that bit wrong in most cases, unlike russians with their IS and yanks with pershing)

    (sorry if I forgot something or spelled something wrong, I am tired and surely should have left this for the morning..)
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