The Ancient History Thread Off Topic Homosexuality Debate.

No, not really. It's the other way around, there are quite a few fundamentalists who claim atheists have no morals because they don't believe the Bible. The point I was trying to make is that some people say they believe in the Bible, yet say the verses that call for the extermination of unbelievers are "misinterpreted", yet have no problems whatsoever with the verses that apparently denounce homosexuality, or the ones that say women are in all cases inferior to men. People basically select the verses that are convenient for them, and completely forget about the rest, yet wonder why people don't believe a word the Bible says.

And I'm not trying to steer anyone away from their beliefs, don't get me wrong. You're entitled to believe what you want, no matter what it is (although if it gets to the point where it comes down to denying pure facts, you're crossing the line in my book (terrible pun intended)). Argue about it (in the most civil way possible, of course, not how the fundamentalists love to do it), tell people you're right and they're wrong for all I care, but at all times expect and tolerate criticism (and don't even dare bashing everyone and going all on the defence when someone says something back).

Also, for your last statement, it's great that someone proudly says "I know what's right and what's wrong because I read this and that verse in the Bible about the Ten Commandments". Really, that's awesome and all, but the first thing that pops into my mind is "Do you really need to read that to find out for yourself that killing and stealing is wrong?". And then my mind instantly pops to the parts that talk about rape and slavery. I don't care who it wrote, when or where, right now, in our world with our social standards, that's inappropriate no matter how you look at it. (Which reminds me; wasn't there this black Republican who said the US needed to go back the the good ol' days when gays were openly prosecuted and Christians were the true masters and all? I guess he forgot those were also the dark days when slavery was still widely accepted.)

Oh, and please don't get me started on this "War on Religion". I could probably write whole essays on why that is the most bullshit term ever invented. Heck, it's even worse than "positive discrimination".

Lastly, I do want to sincerely say that all the things I wrote between brackets weren't directed at anyone personally, and I do really mean that. It's just that when I watch at what happens when fundamentalists get their way at times just irks me. Well, actually, basically anything fundamentalists do make me a very annoyed man.

You have to remember the Bible is about Religous truths and how to act. I am not a fundementalist, I only believe in certain parts of the Bible. I am with Fey on this one.

battleearl said: ↑

Why is stealing, murder, adultery wrong? But slavery is perfectly fine and normal?

Although they'll certainly tell you about the ten commandments, they don't tell you what the Bible says about not following some of them. You'll be put to death...

Death penalty for...
Adulterers: Leviticus 20:10
Murderers: Exodus 21:12
Working on the Sabbath Day: Exodus 35:2
Cursing your parents: 20:9

That is the Old Testament written by Hebrews. Christian teachings are in the New Testament.

What the hell does that have to do with his argument? If the Bible states truths as you sat it is, why would you only believe in part of the bible.

Clearly you don't understand what I am trying to say, I am saying the Bible gives us a guidline for moral behavior.

So lemme get this straight. Just because a book written by men 2000 years ago, when being homosexual was a crime, say you are going to hell for being homosexual, you think homosexuality is a bad thing and should not be allowed. Makes perfect sense.

You are quite aware that All forms of Christianity use the old testament all the time, and that Jesus quotes the Old testament and seeks to be a fufiller of it correct? and that is was the direct word of god, that to which every word should be fufilled to exact wishes (although in today's society we will not and Im glad of this) that being said we can be clear that christian get there words form both Old and New testament (although the bible is never actually that important, well at least my branch of Christianity doesn't put as much go worship the bible now type of attitude like in today's protestant sects) that being said the Old testament or more specifically the first five books, was written by Moses who Jesus clearly thought very highly of.

Because non harmful love is totally and should totally be immoral. /sarcasm

What are you kidding me, two people who love each other must be banned by the state because clearly this is against morals, because no one can be natural homosexual.....well except for *insert long list of mammals* but there filthy animals, clearly this means homosexuals to be filthy animals so we should just treat them as such. Besides imagine what would happen to the children if we allowed these evil heathen monsters to get married they would propyl go into a horrible display of tolerance and understanding, we can't have that instead what more is I suppose we convince the kids that homosexuality and pedophilia is the same thing and that all gay men want to go around rapeing everyone, even though quite clearly statistic show that homosexuals commit one of the lowest numbers of rapes but what should I know or care about statistics I mean this chart right here clearly says that they can rise a child and raise him to the society stander while still loving and caring for him. This clearly bullshit as all homosexuals are evil and are just paid by Satan to ruin marriage.........


Now if you excuse me im off the hit my wife, then cheat on her and then make fun of homosexuals, because marriage.

I think that the roman empire was built by Augustus and not Caesar. I have not read this entire thread so if this is redundant.. My bad

I agree with you. Caesar started transforming the city of Rome with construction projects and Augustus finished where he left off.

Oh please, that means nothing. Just because God created Adam and Eve, should not make being homosexual a sin that sends you to hell. Can you actually come up with a real argument for once?

I never said it sends you to hell....................I said that if they don't REPENT they will most likely go to hell.

Which means being homosexual sends you to hell...you still have not provided an actual argument as to why it should be a sin.

Oh I have no idea why he would have created a woman to start off the human race. None at all. But not natural? Animals have been known to be homosexual as well, Gen. Back then population kinda really mattered, now we have more than enough population to not have every relationship focused on repopulating. Now it's more than acceptable, or at least should be for a couple of the same gender to be in love and be a couple. There is nothing harmful nor wrong about it. And love is natural, no matter the gender. If it wasn't natural we wouldn't be born with homosexual or bisexual tendencies, so don't pull that.

Burn for eternity for loving someone? Disgusting that people can think that.

I did. God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

That is not an argument. All that says is God wanted the first people to be able to reproduce. That does not constitute that it is a sin to be homosexual. I am awaiting an actual reason.

I am waiting a reason for it not be a sin.

Refer to my post and think real, real hard about it.

I don't know man, this god character seems kinda shady, I heard he killed Jobs whole family, and then knocked up his own mother so that she could give birth to him, and he could be his own father. Also, what up with that one nigga Lucifer? I hear he used to be rollin with God, but God got a lil cocky, so he broke off and started his own op. Apparently they're plannin on brawlin once god's son, himself that is, comes back from bein dead. Don't wanna be there when that happens.

The burden of proof is on you bro.