Sense when was USSR a "bad guy". They did not order anyone to be killed (Hyperbaly speaking) war crimes were done by men on the spot, who probably have lost a loved one due to German massacre. I'm fully aware that many officers turned a blind eye on this activity, but no state nor general made an order to go around killing civilians, unlike some other countries. And yes there has been cases of killings, but I suppose Hiroshima and Nagasaki is totally justified. Highly arguable And I suppose you have something backing this up? (Other than your words that is) PS. My Previous statistic is made by Dr. Rüdiger and is endorsed by German Armed Forces Military History Research Office
nope, because then Germany, being outraged for the slaughter of fellow Germans, calls for war. It happens, then you only have Germany and Russia fighting. All ends well for everyone except Russia since they would likely be overpowered by the German armies.
nope, because then Germany, being outraged for the slaughter of fellow Germans, calls for war. It happens, then you only have Germany and Russia fighting. All ends well for everyone except Russia since they would likely be overpowered by the German armies.[/quote:2z6wdw2n] I dont understand a word you say, but if you are refering to Germans killing each other, then I agree, for I have not taken that side into a consideration in my previous comment.
Let's just summarize this up right now, the Soviet Union done the most in the war and brought the war to an end.
because the Germans were to distracted with america killing themselves over cliffs. no, the soviets did not win the war. we ere a couple weeks late getting to Berlin, the soviets had to fight retreating Germans while we had forces that were dug in and ready to fight to contend with.
Your significantly going to disagree with the fact that the Soviets did the most work? America were sitting around doing absolutely nothing, but sending materials to Britain. The Red Army had to face off against 3/4 of the whole German army, and your saying it was extremely harder for the Allies in the West to fight off 1/4 of the German army? Okay, i will honestly yield to the fact that there was elite troops on the Western front, but there was Waffen SS soldiers in the Eastern front too, and much earlier in the war in the Eastern front. Your just another one of those American lovers.
i am an american lover, the Germans, once defeated at Stalingrad retreated to the battle of kursk where once again they lost and it was retreating all the way to Berlin, while the rest of the allies defeated the Italians and Germans on the western front and Africa. plus at the same time we were winning against the Japanese. America came in 2 years after the war started, we liberated France and other countries. what did the USSR do? turn small countries like Poland and Lithuania into communist nations.
For f*cks sake, we've been over this several times already. Both pro-Western Allies and pro-USSR's need to get your *sses out of your heads and agree on the fact that you needed each other.
Yep, don't know why i didn't see it before, especially when you liberated yourselved from the Nazis, the was amazing. :lol:
USSR went through much more. I will give you some military output statistics. Statistics that were never seen in the West because the Germans didn't have anything hardly in the west, nor Africa. Eastern Front 1943 - 1945 Germans: Aircraft 1943 - 28,807 1944 - 39,807 1945 - 7,540 Tanks 1943 - 19,800 1944 - 27,300 1945 - ______ Artillery (Over 76mm) 1943 - 27,000 1944 - 41,000 1945 - ________ All this in the period of 1943 to 1945 in the Eastern Front. Goes to show who had to deal with the most.
OK so the Russians dealt with Germany and we dealt with japan, and yes i know Russia fought with them too. so don't pull that BS. We defeated Japan, not single handed i'll admit, but then again neither did the Russians beat the Germans single handed.
I'm glad that we come to this conclusion, before I would go into all caps rage. I post this just so this issue will be buried for ever. (Germany lost more men in one year against Russians, than in entire war against western allies)