World War II

I agree but I think Germany vs Russia 1 on 1 for the whole war, it would have been a stalemate

What do you mean by "evil". And Russians killed 5.5 million German (Not axis) soldiers, while all western allies (only) 1.8 million. To western allies credit how ever, they took 100 000 more Axis prisoners if I'm not mistaken. This mostly is due to their fear of Soviet captivity.[/quote:wpn350ea]
You're discrediting General Winter and his fierce band of warriors called hypothermia.

Those hypothermia warriors are tough. They can survive anything

Soviet leadership was crap at the Winter War because they were still recovering from the purges.

I feel bad for the Russians in the end. They lost over 20 million lives overall. that's harsh. so saying there brutal for killing 5.5 million Germans is hypocritical.

The Germans would win the war with russia if they had deployed the millions of other troops to the eastern front. but they didn't so now there is no National socialist Germany.

let me tell you about the allied bombing of Dresden.

it was valentines day and all the children were dressed in their circus uniforms, it was a day for everyone to forget about the war and relax.

suddenly engines were heard and allied planes were upon the city, fire bombs were dropped, yet the air defence did not respond. once markers were place in the sky the planes took off and tried to shoot them down, but the heavy Lancaster bombers didn't need the markers, the fire cyclone could be seen 20 miles away as it was swept through Dresden by the midday breeze.

once the Lancaster bombers arrived the buildings crumbled and the raid sirens were blaring, once the bombers were gone the fighters came upon the city, they slaughtered the survivors trying to find food, the children were found dead in their bright uniforms.

this story chills my blood even though the Germans bombed London many times, but this is inhumane.

This is Revenge.

it was evil. sure the Germans bombed our cities but they never massacred people in the streets with machineguns

yes they did. the slums of Warszawa is prime example. they just massacred 90% of the Jewish population in Poland. then marched onto Russia for 20 million+. you don't think there were a few kids in their? and i support Germany in most actions. the bombing of Dresden is little compared to the millions of others. Yes it's an awful story, but how different is it in the big picture?

The Soviets killed 4 million German civillians, not to mention other Soviet atrocities to the young girls of Germany.

@Deadtrap

In no way am I trying to make the Soviets look bad, that is not my intent... and saying the Soviets are the "good" guys in abit of an overstatement considering what they did and their crimes against humanity, and I am NOT saying the Germans were the good guys, because that is definantly not the case.

Also 4,000,000 German civillians were casualties throughout the war... though saying the Soviets killed all of them might be an exaggeration, but looking more into this I found that atleast 2,500,000 civillians were killed by the USSR & Allies, but mostly by the USSR.

Edit: World War II isn't my strong point, so I could be a little off, on these figures.

One verifiable fact on the matter is that more Nazi collaborators came from the USSR both proportionally and nominally than from any other nation. And Stalin had a "boys will be boys" stance on the issue...

Maybe if he had a "if you go i'll shoot you in the head stance" world war 2 would have had just a couple less casualties.

they were both bad guys. The Soviet Union did well in defeating Nazi Germany, but also commited crimes durng the war. It doesn´t mather if they did in lesser number. What matters is that they also did.

I'm gonna try and get sentimental (i guess is the word here?) so listen up.

Isn't killing inhumane enough?! to take away somebody's life isn't just harming them, it's harming everyone that knew, love, and cared for that person. You didn't just kill that person, you stabbed all the others in the chest of this persons loved one. stop the killing. please... for little timmy.

sorry, i just could't keep it up at the end.

Do it for little Timmy dammit!

poor little timmy...