"Occupy" Superthread

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  1. Kalalification Guest

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    That's not what the protests are about. They're about being angry at rich people for being rich.

    Because otherwise they are wasting our time and being annoying.

    For example, there was an 'Occupy' thing on campus the other day; there were a handful of people there and they all looked like something straight out of this picture:

    [spoiler:2kohn0db][IMG][/spoiler:2kohn0db]

    They were, much like the protesters were, illegally positioned in a major traffic area and inconvenienced anyone who had to get to class from our student union. No one is learning anything and they aren't suggesting any solutions. It is pointless and annoying but provides no benefit. Why SHOULDN'T we treat them like self-righteous assholes if that's exactly what they are?

    Everyone has that right and no one is suggesting they don't. That doesn't mean they're useful or good for exercising it.

    Look at the Civil Rights era and see if that idea holds true.

    And frankly, 'corporate influence in government' isn't evident in the status quo. My poli-sci GTA did his thesis on this topic and, despite popular sentiment and his own expectations, found that there isn't actually a link between campaign donations and policy-making. Just based on the kind of people that are elected and what they actually do in Congress, you'd be hard pressed to find anything that even remotely resembles 'corporate influence in government.'

    The only area where it makes a difference is in elections, but despite the monetary advantage of a challenger the incumbency retention rate remains around 90%. 'Corporate influence' has incredibly little to do with anything that happens in Congress and has a negligible (if any) effect on elections.

    It's worthless, and we're completely entitled to our opinions as well. Protesting isn't universally good nor should it be universally respected.
    Kalalification, Oct 29, 2011
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  2. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    You cant be serious -.-''

    Declaration of occupation

    [spoiler:156wm56o]Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
    THIS DOCUMENT WAS ACCEPTED BY THE NYC GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON SEPTEMBER 29, 2011

    As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

    As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

    They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

    They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

    They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

    They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

    They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.

    They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

    They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

    They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

    They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

    They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

    They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

    They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

    They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

    They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.

    They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

    They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.

    They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

    They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

    They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

    They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

    They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

    To the people of the world,

    We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

    Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

    To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

    Join us and make your voices heard![/spoiler:156wm56o]


    And may I add:

    [spoiler:156wm56o][IMG][/spoiler:156wm56o]


    I cant believe you believe in that your self. Watch the documentary I posted on previous page and if you want, I can present you countless reports on this.
    D3adtrap, Oct 29, 2011
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  3. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    The protesters protesting in a major traffic area that will inconvenience people isn't bad, Gandhi used the same tactics. However, unlike Gandhi, the Occupiers HAVE NOT F***ING POINT. Just shouting how bad stuff is and saying that is enough is cop-out. If you want things to change, make them change. The change doesn't have to be violent or even dramatic, but unless you go out an make some kind of statement, with a plan, you won't do jack. By the way, if the Occupiers represent the 99%, that means that they would hold all of the Senate, the Presidency, and almost all of the House. But wait, most of the Occupiers don't vote.
    LeonTrotsky, Oct 29, 2011
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    You people don't see the hypocrisy of whining on how pointless Occupy protests are on some forum in internet?
    D3adtrap, Oct 29, 2011
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    I agree completely. They need to propose some kind of solution before they run around telling us what we already fucking know.
    slydessertfox, Oct 29, 2011
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  6. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    No. Inform us.
    LeonTrotsky, Oct 29, 2011
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  7. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    Well OWS could rally and get some donations. Even without the money if they are popular enough it won't matter.
    CoExIsTeNcE, Oct 29, 2011
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    No corporate news channel would let them on debates, and donations from non-rich people arent enough.

    Lets say they magically get into office, Lobbyists say hi to these new people, they get corrupted and influenced by corporations.
    Lenin Cat, Oct 29, 2011
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  9. Kalalification Guest

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    You're just being ridiculous.

    'Non-rich people' can donate a lot more than rich people could, but money isn't the most important object in elections.

    Show me some actual empirical evidence here. No more rhetorical BS.
    Kalalification, Oct 29, 2011
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    Whoever put that Anti-Capatalist banner up in London has done themselves no favours. Now i could put up 10 Anti-Corruption banners and no one would see them on the News.
    Planky, Oct 29, 2011
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  11. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    Not really.

    Given the top 1% have 40-50% of the wealth, and the bottem 50% have less then 5%, I doubt that.

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    Lenin Cat, Oct 29, 2011
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  12. crocve Well-Known Member

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    Here it is a music for the OWS people:


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    crocve, Oct 29, 2011
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  13. Kalalification Guest

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    I'm not watching some BS video. Present your arguments yourself.
    Kalalification, Oct 29, 2011
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  14. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    So in a country of 300 million people we can't find about 500 people who can't be bought.
    MayorEmanuel, Oct 29, 2011
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  15. 0bserver92 Grand King of Moderation

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    Since your not going to watch it I'll give you a summary.
    John McHale gave 50,000$ to Rick Perry his company G-Con was given 3,000,000$ of tax payer money.
    David M. Shanaham gave 15,000$ to Rick Perry and Gradalis got 1,750,000$.
    Bob Perry gives Rick Perry 2,000,000$ Rick Perry limits the lawsuits to his company for faulty construction.
    Phil Adams gives 290,000$ he is appointed to the A&M Board of Regents and 2,750,000$ to Terrabon Inc.
    James Leininger gives a trip to the Bahamas an he gets appointed to the Texas Board of Health and 1,750,000$ to his company.
    0bserver92, Oct 29, 2011
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  16. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    But surely the Representatives elected by the OWS movement would be die hard supporters of the 99%.
    CoExIsTeNcE, Oct 29, 2011
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  17. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    Everyone has a price.
    Lenin Cat, Oct 29, 2011
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  18. crocve Well-Known Member

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    crocve, Oct 29, 2011
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  19. 0bserver92 Grand King of Moderation

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    0bserver92, Oct 29, 2011
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  20. crocve Well-Known Member

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    Where have you been? The OWS movement is full of marxists who want to implant socialism and destroy the "evil corporations".
    crocve, Oct 29, 2011
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