The First World War

Oh, I didn't even bother looking at the video because it would have been blocked for me so I just read the posts about it

So your implying that normal people are not socialist, they are capitalist. This implies three wrong things, it implies wrongly that there are only capitalist and socialist, no other system exists. Wrong, we have communism for one. Then we have people like me that are in the middle. Then I'm sure there are other economic theories we have never heard about. Second, it implies that socialist are not normal, which is stereotyping and absolutely wrong. I think everyone can see the unfairness of that statement. Finally, it implies that there are no socialists that are above the age of 18. Well, this has to be wrong as almost all the pioneers of socialism were obviously above their teenage years, plus many other socialists are above their teenage years.

Felonious by definition involves a felony, and taxes can't be a felony because they are absolutely legal.
Well it could also mean wicked, which is what I guess you mean. However, in the definition of robbery, they take felonious to have the definition:
1.) Pertaining to, of the nature of, or involving a felony

Not at all.
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I was only replying to Kara's argument about the three types of people that dislike socialism. I understand what you are trying to say, and agree with it. Apparently Kara doesnt understand it though.

That is not what I am implying.

Look at all the socialists on this forum. Then tell me how many of them are above 18. Look at all the people on these forums who are above 18. The strong majority of them are capitalists. Hell even Pedro said he was a socialists when he was a teenager. I am in no way however stating all socialists are teenagers.[/quote]

That's exactly what you said

It is, in fact, what you are implying. Maybe its not what you meant to imply, but it what you implied.

This is a forums. A small one. Made up of people that like to watch lets plays. The large majority of us are teenagers anyways. It is not a good example for deciding what age group socialists are. Not to mention, only a core of around 300-500 people even post enough for me to know whether they are socialist or not.

Good, because that would be wrong.

It is absolutely true that normal people aren't socialist, because being socialist makes you not normal, as the vast majority of people aren't socialist.

No. What I said was, there are people who dislike socialism who are normal and who have seen both sides of the issue. Not just people who are brainwashed or apathetic like Kara seems to think.

Read above.

Out of the 300-500 members on this forum, most of them are socialist yes. Most of them are also under the age of 18. Most of the members above the age of 18 are capitalists if you haven't noticed. Also, the number of people above 18 year olds who are socialists is even less in the real world than on these forums because this is a place named after a "communist" dictator.

Actually if you consider the number of people in the world that are socialist, yes, it is normal to be socialist. For one, we have a billion Chinese.

You imply socialist are not normal. What you meant is different from what you actually said.

Exactly how many people over 18 do we have on this site? I'm pretty sure we have a majority of teenagers. And I'm pretty sure that there aren't that many capitalists on these forums either, there are many in the middle ground or others who dislike both capitalism and socialism.

I'm talking about in the West, more specifically in America.

Socialists aren't normal. They're an extreme minority in both the nominal statistic and ideological senses.

Be careful Kali, you might hurt their feelings.

They simply have yet to be taught the full angles of it. Or they're not normal. Kali particularly has such little empathy for other people it's frightening, for instance. If everyone was given a proper education on what Leftism was they'd find themselves a member of it. It is just they aren't because our nation resents Leftism.

Probably 40% of the forum isn't 18+. Age is irrelevant. You must be sorely out of arguments if the worst thing you can say about Socialism is that teenagers like it.

And? That's a useless demographic. It'd be like if you said most people who like Capitalism also happen to play MineCraft. It's irrelevant. You're arguing with irrelevant nonsense, which is to say you're barely even still arguing at all.

I have no doubt that the majority of people are not Socialist. I also have no doubt that the majority of people have never read a Socialist book in their lives. The opinions of the uninformed can hardly be considered a ground-shaking argument.

That's almost funny coming from you, for you most certainly are not normal.

That's exactly what you're fucking implying when you present Socialism and Capitalism as two, opposite perspectives and then say Socialists aren't normal people.

Socialism is, most basically, the opposite of Capitalism.
Socialism is the opposite of Capitalism and thus you would infer that Socialists are the opposite of Capitalists.
Socialists are "not normal", thus Capitalists must be normal.
If Socialism is made of Socialists and Socialists are not normal, then shouldn't Socialism be "not normal"? If Capitalism is made of Capitalist and Capitalist are, implicitly, normal, then do you not argue that Capitalism is normal?

While on closer examination such a thing makes no sense at all, the indirect implication is to infer that Capitalism is the "normal" ideology of humanity and that Socialism in not normal in a negative sense. The fact that you refute the implication which anyone with proper human communication skills would see merely shows that you yourself do not properly know the angles that you imply.

You're not even 18. Why is this so important to you that you center half your argument on it? It's both foolish and an embarrassment to your Capitalist companions.

So? They merely have yet to realize Socialism. With any luck they'll come around later. I don't see how Socialism is any less because of their denial.

So then he's currently wrong and his fast self was right. What difference does Pedro's previous ideological roots have to do with the argument?

"Pretty much every Socialist on the forum is a teenager."
later...
"I'm not saying Socialists are teenagers! Where did you get that idea?"

-.-

Fuck you. You'd complain too if you were called autistic for having a different belief.
But you wont be called autistic for your beliefs. We Socialists aren't so base that we would insult others for holding different standards. As previous events have shown, the fact is much different for other elements of this forum.

So then, you acknowledge that humanity as a whole would be better off by Socialism? Why after all, you said the general standard of living would be higher raised in a Socialist society than a Capitalist one. Yet you're general argument that you should be rewarded obscenely for "hardwork" still remains. Is it so that you would have all of humanity lessened so that you, and you personally, could be better off? If you yet hold such a position, then all morality must be swept from your argument.

No, I have a feel you do want to be rich.

So you're against taxes, a more effective way of giving money to the impoverished and improving the standard of living, yet you'd donate your money to charity? That's inefficiency on the false pretense that taxes are somehow immoral and "robbery".

Sly, do not resent the fool. Pity him. Do you think he wanted to be born stupid? Do you think he, now that he's seen where it leads, still wishes he had dropped out of high school? He didn't want ignorance. He wanted intellect as well.

In reality, he is just like you. Sure he's a different person with a different mind and a different body but he could just as well been you, or you him. All that decided his stupidity was genetics and his basic education. Pure chance, so to say.

I do not mean to say he should be rewarded for it, and by all means you would be right to disagree with me if I were, but I do say he should not be impoverished for being unlucky. He rolled the dice the same way you did when you were formed. He came up short and that sucks. So recognize that, but also recognize that it wasn't his fault he came up short. And thus, do not penalize him for something that is beyond his control just as you should not harm an innocent man.

Well shit man, you're trying to say your own father deserved the life he was given for a choice he made God knows how long ago?

Dropping out of high-school doesnt automatically mean poverty. Also, I don't want to pay for somebody to hold a middle class lifestyle because they made stupid decisions.

Link please.

The data from that link is from 2002.
Not only that, but that could be rounded off to 10% easy. To say that "only 10% of all Americans live in the Nuclear Family" isn't something to scoff at. That's 30 million people. And Hell, that's out of the 48% that are married. That means that only ~38% of households are married and don't follow the Nuclear Family. Far less than you would lead me to believe. In fact, this helps disprove your argument.

No it's not.

The economy has hardly improved at all. If anything they'd be about the same or worse than the first year.
And it's not like a back-up plan fixes everything. Lots of people probably had back-up plans that were destroyed by the natural of this meltdown. You know, like investing in their homes because that was a "sure fire investment".

I'm saying that you want fucking back-up plans for when God starts Armageddon and shit. It's ridiculous. And then you have the nerve to call them idiots for it.

Yes, but in reality you can't.

Compared to which fully industrialized nation that has so many factories?

No the fact is that it never had the chance of lasting because it was up against a massive Empire.

Not really. Being a minor leader is exceptionally easy. Now being someone who actually does work like a factory worker or an accountant or something like that, that's difficult. Telling other people to work faster is easy.

Ok then, I guess everyone was at fault for the Great Depression. All those starving people who were forced out of their homes deserved it. I mean, why didn't they have a back-up plan?

Or how about the Holocaust? That's man-made. All those Jews just should've had a back-up plan. Within a year they would've been back on their feet if they just had a back-up plan.

No, it's 500k. 200k will buy you a moderately good house in a good neighborhood. It's not really that amazing.

Then what does it have to do with Sly?
Childhood education? Parental upbringing? If that's the case you can blame no one for their stupidity even less than if it were genetic. What, are you going to say people deserve to be poor because they're stupid because as Children they didn't "make the right moves"?

Fools? I decided not to count them. They're a given.

Do you have some weird fetish for teenagers or something? This is like the 10th time you've referenced them.

This is quite obviously true.

That's not why people used the word autism.

So where does Pedro (a former socialist) and all those other former socialists fit into this.

Look at Occupy Wallstreet for instance. The majority of them are in their lower 20's and are still in college. Notice how there are very little people there above that average. Young people are naive.

lolwut?

What about the people who were socialists as teenagers and became capitalists as they grew older.

nor·mal 
adjective
1.
conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; notabnormal; regular; natural.


Most people are capitalists, ergo the common person is a capitalist. Ergo capitalists are the norm.

You seem to misunderstand what I mean by normal.

Then how can you socialists claim it can work with capitalism.

Ok.

Again, you misunderstand what I mean by normalal.

*sigh* read above.

Capitalism is the normal ideology. For example, a normal average Joe is a capitalist. I can make that assumption because the majority of people are capitalists.

I never said I was 18. I'm just trying to make a point that most adults in this world are not socialists.
So? They merely have yet to realize Socialism. With any luck they'll come around later. I don't see how Socialism is any less because of their denial.

Pedro doesn't fit in with any of the people you describe who hate socialism. I am saying that he once was a socialist, and then he became a capitalist, showing that your argument is flawed because, shocker I know, people can be a socialist at one point, and have a change of heart.

Since when was autistic used to describe socialists?

And neither would you.

lolwut?

Believe what you want to believe.

If I worked hard to get where I am, then I don't want some idiot who dropped out of highschool to live as well as I am without having to do all the work I am doing, just for the sake of equality.

Why do you constantly bring genetics in on this?

Most highschool dropouts arent living on less than $1 a day, ergo, they are nos impoverished in the slightest.

Genetics play little to no roll in intelligence. There's a thing called education. Everybody gets one. It's mandatory. There is no reason anybody should drop out of highschool. If they did, well that's there fault and I should have no obligation to help them after they made a stupid decision like that.

It wasnt beyond his control. You choose whether you drop out of highschool or not.

That's exactly what he is saying I believe.

Ok.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...-as-foreclosures-rise-job-growth-resumes.html

Which means a decade later, the number of people living in the nuclear family is even smaller than what this article says.

And that means 270 million americans are not living in the nuclear family.

I dont see any olive garden's shutting down.

The jobless rate is at its lowest point since the recession started. I'd call that improvement.

No I don't.

Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

China.

Exactly. It never had the chance of lasting.

And you know this how?

The recession is not gonna last a decade. Of course no back up plan lasts more than 5 years.

Do I even need to argue this?

Source please.

Learning.

Yes.

Yes.

There's a few other factors such as working hard in school.

Everybody should graduate highschool. If you can graduate highschool chances are you won't be living in poverty. Will you be living comfortably? No. But you would not be living in poverty.

So anyone who disagrees with you is either:
A: Brainwashed
B: stupid
C: a fool

Yet you are calling me out for saying socialists aren't normal...

No, that's exactly what you said.

See?

China isn't quite industrialized yet. And I just want to point out that a communist nation has more factories than a capitalist nation....
Also, @You Rang?, you can't really judge all the communists/socialists on these forums based on the insults coming from three of its most radical members.....one of which was banned....

*sigh*. I don't mean a socialist person is not a normal person. I mean is, the average everyday Joe is a capitalist, ergo, capitalist people are normal. Normal as in it is normal to come by a capitalist person, whereas it is not normal to randomly come across a socialist person because there are less of them.

Please, China is almost as capitalist as the US. Even @Imperial1917 said as much.

Saying Socialists are normal is absurd.
There is no basic definition of a normal human being.
No one is "normal".
So yeah all Socialists aren't "normal" but neither are capitalists.

Anyways, Capitalism is the way to go.
If you don't do anything who's to say you get payed the same amount of money as a person who is a lawyer, doctor, teacher, etc.

They are still communist by US foreign policy. They are a mix of communism and capitalism.

No, they are pretty capitalist.

I was pointing out that Kara was clearly just spouting bullshit. He and several other socialists routinely resort to insults.

Not possible. Been over this before.

Well he was referring to communists as a whole, in which he was right. But, just like with the capitalist faction, there are people that resort to insults in the commie faction.

Tell that to the Chinese. They have privately owned companies working side by side with state owned ones.

No, he's clearly not right. He said it explicitly as a contrast to capitalists. His intention was to paint socialists as innocent of insults. In the same post he goes on to insult two people.

Which has nothing to do with socialism.