Ancient History

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  1. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I think he did tell about an experience or vision he had some time, if I'm correct. While for him it might've been an indication of God, it was still a dream. I have sex with the most beautiful women in my dreams from time to time, but alas, it proves nothing.

    You say you believe in God. That statement itself says you aren't sure for 100%. You have not always believed in God, as that is simply impossible. You might not have doubted it, but before anyone taught you about God, you had no idea of his alleged existence. Still, the best thing about this quote is that you say you'll be 100% sure for life (which I just said is impossible, but let's continue for the sake of this argument), even though you believe there's an afterlife (or that's what I'd assume), in which you'll see for yourself whether or not you were right. Unless you're wrong, that is. Then your conscience is gone, so you can't really see.

    You must understand that, at least to me, religious debates (At least on an intelligent level. While one-line massacres on Twitter are fun to watch, they stop being interesting very quickly) are incredibly intriguing and interesting. None of us are trying to change your beliefs (nor should anyone ever, although that would harm religion quite a bit), I personally just enjoy the debate. Don't use Pascal's Wager, though, that'd ruin it.
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    Yeah, Pascal's Wager is a dick move in religious debate.
  3. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    Not really a dick move, just the stupidest argument ever.
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    How about both? That's a nice way in the middle.
  5. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    Well, you're only making yourself look like a complete idiot if you use Pascal's Wager, so it's only a dick move to yourself...
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    I guess...
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    Indeed it is.


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    I'm surprised these guys have never been on Monty Python's Flying Circus.
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    Actually I have had an experience.
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    You mean you died and came back to life? Which seems like the only experience that could even possibly verify the existence of any God. And there are people that have had near death experiences who said they saw like a timeline of their life and had a choice of keeping on going through those flashbacks or turn back (something like that). None of that verifies the existence of the God, and that is, assuming they did not concoct that after the fact and make themselves truly believe it. (which has been nearly proven can be done).
  11. GeneralofCarthage Well-Known Member

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    No, I had a concussion and saw God reach his hand out to me or it could have been an angel. God said "Come to me my child." And then God turned into this horrible creature, I think it was the devil. I turned away and resisted him.
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    And I said before: That was a simple dream. I've had plenty of messed up dreams, heck, so has everyone. Especially when your head is messed up because of a concussion, I wouldn't be surprised if your dreams get even wilder and get a more real feeling.
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  13. GeneralofCarthage Well-Known Member

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    I could feel fire engulfing me.
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    your dream makes sense now

    A God of love
    A God of care
    A God of hope
    A God of words
    A God as lost as you and blind
    To fill your hollow soul again
    You seek a God to stand above you
    Wrapping healing arms around you
    You'll find another God of pain
    A God of suffering and tears
    Give yourself unto your God
    Sacrifice yourself again
    Burn your thoughts erase your will
    To Gods of suffering and tears
    Tie hallowed bonds around your hands
    Kneel before this seat of shame
    To Gods as lost
    Gods as blind
    Gods of suffering and pain
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    You do realize that sustaining a head injury and then seeing and feeling things is not exactly the best proof that such things are real, right?
  16. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    Your point being? Your brain still controls your senses, when it's messed up it can make you sense crazy shit.
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    Well I know that God exists. You can't tell me if I am 100% sure or not. I know what I am. I also had another experience, when I was in the hospital a few days ago with signs of pneumonia, I fell asleep and saw the light. It was shining brightly, and I heard God say "You have done what you are required, join me in everlasting paradise,"aAnd then I saw Jesus. I said "God, I have not fufilled what my task here on Earth is." God answered "Very well, enjoy your fufillment, I will see you soon."
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    Not really. "Knowing" would mean you had legitimate means to sustain your claim, as it implies knowledge, which can be shared. Hallucinations during illnesses are not by any means legitimate to any kind of argument.
    On the second part, that's also not true. As I said earlier, surely knowing a 100% means you have a way of proving your claim. However, as it's impossible to prove the existence of God, it is by definition impossible to know for 100%. 99%, maybe, but the full 100%; impossible.
    And we can actually say that, because your statement contradicts the very meaning of the words. I could say I'm a dinosaur. However, as that statement directly contradicts both the definition of both human and dinosaur, anyone could tell me I'm a fucking idiot and that I'm a normal human being like anyone else.

    Now, we've established time after time that these are hallucinations that are spiced up by a (serious) illness. Therefore, let's just skip to the hallucination itself. You've shown yourself to be quite the pious person, and undoubtedly know that God is described as omniscient. Yet you show no hesitation to go against His judgement? Nor did God show any doubt in you clearly rejecting His judgement? That makes no sense to me.
    And the "I will see you soon" sounds kinda creepy, I must say. Still, it's a hallucination, so there's nothing to worry about anyway.
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    I meant "I have not fufilled what you have called me to do."
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    You'd think the omniscient being that you believe created you would be the judge of that, though?
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