Kim Jong Il is dead.

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by Lenin Cat, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Its only a matter of chance, though im curious as to how will a unified Korea work out and will the elites of North Korea keep there position.

    But do you know does not want a Unified Korea, CHINA.
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  3. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    No just no, please not this fucking shit again.

    Let me guess your one of those assholes who quotes the black book of communism.
  4. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    In theory, [practically ensured] the North Koreans will move South. You know why? Because it is ******* cold in North Korea and there are no resources worth sticking around for.
    But of course that would increase poor Seoul's population too much. There is a school of thought that the *former* South Koreans would end up persuading the *former* North Koreans to stay in the North and just send them stuff so there wouldn't be a massive population problem. Or rather, larger than there already is.
    That is a misconception.
    1. China obviously wants a United Korea. They DID send some 1-2 million troops to push the U.S. back during the hot days of the war and tried to take South Korea.
    2. China's problem is not with a Unified Democratic Korea [it used to be, but I don't think it really is anymore], it is with a Unified Democratic Korea under the U.S.'s thumb. It is a painful impasse for China since if they pull out of the North, they risk losing an ally, but by the same token, backing the North pushes the South closer to the U.S. and gives the South Korean government and the U.S. a reason to keep U.S. troops there.
    Maybe because that has been covered in almost every other thread.
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    I was just merely commenting on the hypocrisy that "communism doesn't have a empire, we didn't kill millions of people".

    I have never heard of the "black book of communism"unless you are referring to the The Communist Manifesto
  6. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Hmm interesting, though im still curious on how it will play out.

    That is a misconception.
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    Well a Unified Democratic Korea would be a huge economical drain on the Chinese, as well as another strong country bordering theme. Also It will be interesting on how South Korea will handle operations in the country once we give theme full military control.
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    Let me ask you a simple question that is also complex: Has there ever been a Communism?
    Explain please.
    Only countries scared of being stuck in the back by their own allies fear that.
    Though, yes, it is a ligitimate concern.
    Technically, they already have control of their own military. And they can force the U.S. to leave at any time, so the 'giving' idea goes kaput.
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    I'm assuming you mean has there every been a true Communist government. I think no as the Soviet Union did not abolish money, marriage, religion, classes, etc nor did any other government.
  9. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Do I have to explain the obvious, that a Unified Korea would be a huge competor to the region as well as block Chinese Naval advancements.

    http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/summary.cfm?q=859
    http://www.gwu.edu/~power/literature/dbase/mitchell1.pdf
    http://www.sirpa.fudan.edu.cn/pictu...924c/b91f3878-3f3d-41ad-80fc-1724d9a959b6.pdf
    http://asiasecurity.macfound.org/images/uploads/blog_attachments/wp07.pdf
    http://citation.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/6/7/0/9/pages67092/p67092-1.php
    http://libweb.uoregon.edu/ec/e-asia/read/ex-korea.pdf

    Unified Korea will not be a Chinese ally, it will lean way more to Japan and then so America.

    April 17 2012 – The United States will cede wartime control of the military of South Korea after 50 years and dissolve the Combined Forces Command. Two distinct military commands (South Korea and the United States) will operate in Korea during wartime, rather than one unified command under the Combined Forces Command.
  10. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    Was the soviet "empire" a classless stateless society(ie communism)?
  11. battleearl Well-Known Member

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    Only on paper...
  12. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Stormfront, Empire= Imperialism
    Imperialism according to communism "Bad"
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    Being classes does not mean Communism. No it is not and any other "communist" government is not
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    So this doesn't exist in communist countries?
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    Just because you call it that doesn't make it true...(you do know that's not it's real name right?)
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    Yes it does exist there is a ruler who is higher then the workers. there is a government which orders people what to do. There is a military. People who cheat the system and get more off the back of the workers. There is religion
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    I'm pretty sure religion is not a factor in traditional communist societies...
  18. battleearl Well-Known Member

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    To rule over the people: King and other royalities = Supreme leader and communist party

    To fool the people: The church = the ministry of propaganda

    The army is used to oppress people in both communist and capitalist countries

    Who are the bourgeoisie of communist countries, anyways?

    The people = working, suffering, oppressed, abused...
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  19. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Above makes point.
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    In The Communist Manifesto Karl Marx stated he wanted religion religion abolished, it does play a factor as marriage is a religion institution. Mao was married, Stalin married,the late Kim Jong li was married.
    The eastern bloc had government owned propaganda
    The rulers are the bourgeoisie the ones who decide what is the quota the pay the meals the uniforms etc
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