Atomic bombings of Japan Necessary?

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  1. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    It would be mass murder if we invaded Japan as well.
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    War is not a crime nor deaths due to war are murders, unless you break Rules of war which USA did in this case

    That still violates international law, thus it is a war crime and people behind it should have their rightful punishment for crimes against humanity.
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    But they would be slaughtering civilians en masse if they invaded. Now that would be a war crime according to your standards.
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    I'm yet to hear from Americans that would put Japanese civilians against the wall and shoot them gone un punished
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    Ever read about what happened in the Phillipines?
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    Your rationale being that it will happen every time?
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    So you're like: "Well, those guys will slaughter civilians anyway, so why not throw an atomic bomb and be done with it."? I strongly disagree.
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    That was a Colonial War about 50 years earlier. It was, if anything, the worst case scenario. I don't think you could say that would happen every time.

    It would be like saying that if Britain had been the driving force occupying Nazi Germany they would've put the Germans in concentration camps because that's what they did to the Boers.
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    No his rational is, with a traditional invasion even more civilians would have died then the number caused by the atomic bombs. The standard bombing raids and offshore artilliary plus the urban combat that would of occured over all of japan and not just two cities, would have killed far more civilians, let alone japanese and amercian soldiers. Less death was caused by the two atomic bombs, therefore it was the right choice. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were both important to japans war effort so we did not just target the cities for the sake of killing civiliansand casuing fear(like the germans did in the bombing of london).
  10. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    Invasion does not guarantee killing civilians, where as dropping atomic bomb on them does. Do I even have to bring out actual law again?
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    First let me say that yes acording to the rules of war it's a war crime but the sad fact about this world is that the victors never get charged for what happens in war. During the war; war crimes were commited by both the allies and the axis but you never here about war trials for the allies because they won. I'm sorry if you don't agree but the rules of war really mean nothing because if your the victors you can get away with anything, just look at history.
    "History is written by the victors"~ Winston Churchill
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    I have heard of multiple trials against allies, invasions are not illegal nor would be atomic bomb if it would not be used against civilians or prisoners of war...
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    Nope, and a "free country" like the US isn't going to mass murder civilians, are they?
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    Can you tell me of any?
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    Many soviet officers were trialed for not taking action against their men, who were committing crimes such as looting & rape in Germany.

    Well how about this, or this, maybe this? Do I need to link every single ass one of them?
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    D3adtrap take it easy I just wanted to see what proff you had of such events taking place.
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    Japanese people would be forced to fight by the government. Almost all of Japan's population would have been massacered if we hadn't had dropped the atomic bomb. Oh ever here the expression "Sacrafice one life to save a million." That was baxically the exact same case except it was hundred thousands to save around 30 million.
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    Dude, you obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about!
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    Indeed... And you are still to counter a single of my arguments BTW. Just saying if you want to go back to that...
  20. BattalionOfRed Mr. Fred Battaliono

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    If I were to kill Pol Pot, that would be considered justified, considering he will, by his faction alone, unattended in major international affairs, eventually kill a million people.

    But these two bombs killing over a hundred thousand to save thirty million, well now, that is not right.

    Consider this, Pol Pot hadn't attracted global attention and triggered multiple nations to fight intensely and reduce a people to nothing, which would lead to an invasion of his nation. Thus, he would be able to kill a million people.

    Japan and the Empire it was had participated in this world war, and had triggered multiple nations to fight, and had been driven back. Once it was at it's death bed, the country still was holding on to it's nation's defence. The United States, The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Britain and the Commonwealth would be able to contain them, and eventually sway their people to not fight for their government. There are multiple factors for this, one would be famine due to human influence. Another would be laws and orders that the Imperial government would enforce on it's people which would deteriorate the moral being of each Japanese civilian. But, the United States didn't give it the time, and instead, decided to lay waste to cities and the environment, probably causing more ecological, financial and agricultural damage than the Imperial government would have by enforcing the said laws.

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