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  1. 3man75 Well-Known Member

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    I want to say thank you to the veterans of the angolan conflict mostly to my dad who
    fought for Castro and his intervention for a communist angola {now more stable and no im not a dirty
    communist supporter}. I want to especially thank the humanitarians and their efforsts to stop violent racist attacks
    against these people who even had their lips, fingers, toes, and even eye lids cut off by scissors {south african white supremicist according to my dad}.

    Any one know anythingelse i don't please post.
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    It worked better under Portugal.
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    Why was Castro in Africa?
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    The people of Angola revolted and both Portuguese and south Africa tried to put the rebellion down.
    However, they asked Castro to support them and he sent troops while also being backed by other
    communist countries like Russia and china. Basically, help communist sympathizers become the new
    independent government of the region.
  5. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    The anglolian civil war i admit i don't know enough about. I more a looker at Zaire. however i do know that Che Guevara was in both countries. As well as that Angola is still in a state of civil war today, which both Mobutu and Kabail of Zaire have used the terrorist in the north of the country to destabilize Angola.
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    I would argue that it stabalized alot more. For one, now racist white guy cutting my lips off and
    i have REAL food to eat now.
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    More then it was before, yes i would argue that. The entire reason that Angola got into the great Congo war(s) was not to overthrow either of the two Zaire dictators but because the majority of the opposition camps where in the direct path to Zaire, as such Angola used this as a way to "crush" them on the way to Zaire. tough most fled up to Zaire and have been there for a while causing more disability in the area however there starting to make there way down back into Angola which has been hitting a huge dip in economic gains and can not combat the troops.
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    You can say that for just about every country in Africa. Hell I can just point to a random African country and chances are they are in some kinda Civil War or giant famine.
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    Oh Africa what fun is it to be. Though according to my A.P world teacher its only going to get worse in years to come not better, not to mention that many of the Al Quada and Islamic cells of the middle east are shifting there attention and bases to Africa, which has been widely ignored by the western countries which is kinda odd giving the fact that Africa will be the next place we suck dry for resources like crazy.

    Tough of the African countries Ethiopia is expected to become the worse.
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    NO NOT ETHIOPIA!!! MY GREAT-GREAT-GREAT-GREAT-GREAT-*5 hours later*-GREAT GRANDFATHER CAME FROM!!!
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    OMG SO DID MINE, WE ARE LIKE BROTHERS.
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    Well on a serious note, I want Ethiopia specifically to grow to become a strong african nation. Its at a low point now but that doesn't mean we can predict its fall. Heck, if they can survive imperialism, they can survive and thrive. Plus I want Eretia and Djbouti to stop existing as independent nations and join "Greater Ethiopia".
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    Because they needed support and Russia couldn't invervien because it would be too public. So they asked the Cubans to do it. Since Cuba was breastfed by the Russians at the time, they had to accept and Castro went into Angola.
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    Sorry not going to happen ever, Lets look at why Ethiopia is going to be the shit hole of the world.

    It's geographical location is in the worst of all places, unlike the nation of Zaire which tough had many problems it could sustain its self agricultural a hell of alot better then Ethiopia will ever hope to be, this agricultural problem has been the main cause of Famines in the region which even with huge U.S and French Aid to the country still claimed more then a million lifes, which was a small minor famine in comparison to the one currently striking Somalia.

    Speaking Of Somalia, its location to the country has caused a huge influx of immigrants from the country. And when i mean huge i mean huge litterly the entire country of Somalia is coming to Ethiopia and that's was when there wasn't a famine going around. The influx of Somalian people has done something even worse, its brought a huge influx of Extremist Muslims into the country like the group Al shabbab, which is ironically stealing and using U.S and U.N aid to get more troops and then refuses to allow food to be distributed to the local population.

    Next is directly next to Sudan, now South Sudan however Sudan is still having there genocide (just because the western media isn't reporting it, doesn't mean its not going on) and now there getting a huge influx of Sudanese people into Ethiopia, which they can't handle.

    Next it is directly next to Kenya, now Kenya is experience the worse famine in recent African history right now and its really distabalizing the area. Kenya also received a huge influx of Hutu and Tutsi after the Rwanda genocide and the great Congo war(s) (which is still going on) and has been sending them to Ethiopia for a long time now, the Hutu and the Tutsi hate each other and the other two main tribes in the region. The Oromo (the majority) and the Amahara (The minority) hate each other enough as it is, combined with Hutu and Tutsi immigration this will only get worse.

    Next it is directly across from Yemen, which has some of the biggest remenents of the Al quada movement, which after the current Yemen rebellion is solved (be it the opposition wins, or the current government stays in power) this will only cause more Al Quada members to flee or go over to Ethiopia and combine this with Al Shabbab and you got a recipe for death,.

    Now you must look at the Religion of the country, the majority of the country is Coptic Orthodox christian, a group that is very unknown in the world (outside of Egypt, lol if you get that) and the Church has a lot of say in the country, to the point where they forbid the use of Condoms (More on that latter) the Christian community in the region is dieing out, and what is remaining is the hardcore fundamentalist Christians that want more Religous control over the Government. This dieing out is being replaced by Islam which is the fastest growing religion in Ethiopia (Africa and the world) and will only lead to fundamentalist clashes between the two religions (and the majority of Africa is a split between the two, both sides will try to help)

    Next the government is well full of idiots, they claim to be democratic socialist but there beyond morons they only say Socialist to appease to the lower classes who love socialism and Che Guevara. the current head of state Girma wolde-Giorgis is in mine and may other views the direct reincarnation of Mobutu and Kabil of Zaire. He has destroyed any hope of democracy taking root in the country, has destroyed the military and the infrastructure of the country to the point of no return, has left the country a chaotic mess, and now there's more and more people who hate the "Cowboy of Africa". The only reason he is still in any sort of power (Just like Mobutu) is because he is huge pro-western and allows western business to enslave his people and work them to the bone for little or no money or food.

    He might claim to be a socialist, but hes about as socialist as Ronald Reagan.

    Next you have to look at the current Population, which is (without any immigration) the biggest rising in all the world, there population was -75% of what it is today in 1997, now combined that with all immigration, lack of condoms, and a huge Aids problem you have the result of a country that is "expected to hit beyond the united states of america, and that's the best result" the food in the country can not support that type of numbers let alone what they have now. The famines that will strike will be worse then all African conflicts combined.

    Combine this with religious fundamentalism between the Coptic church and Islam, and the tribes of the country (Hutu, Tutsi included) you have the results of a genocide never before seen in Africa, one that will make Cambodian, Congo, and Rwandan genocides seem like nothing in comparison. Which of course like all African conflicts will get nothing in media coverage.

    Oh btw did i mention that the united states aid to the country has been decline in recent years, Bush is (and as much as i hate Bush's economics) and allways will be the last savoir of Africa, especially Ethopia where he has helped them greatly in fighting AIDS/FAMINE/ AND WAR. with him gone and Obama in charge (who honestly gives about as much a fuck about Ethiopia as Ronald Reagan) this lack of aid will hurt the them alot, next the current president in charge much like Mobutu is having a huge falling out with the current aid groups, the united nations, and the rest of the African nations (which the same thing that happen to Mobutu)

    Not to mention that Girma's support for Gaddafi does not play well, which they always been close (which has pissed Chad, Egypt, and Sudan to no end)

    Oh btw Girma is a also one of the view people to love the use of Joseph Kabila's "Kadognos" or child soliders, which Ethiopia has some of the greatest numbers of. Resulting in less aid to the country. Which one of the main reasons Bush gave so much aid to the country was to support Archaeology in the country, which is great for that cause we have found so much to support Evolution and know for a fact that Arch of the covenant is in Ethiopia.


    You place all these elements together and you get the worse mix of a shit storm to come since Hitlers rise in Germany or the collapse of the Roman empire.


    Oh btw the Prime minster of the country (Much like one of the nations of Africa before its collapse) has the presidents ear, this guys name is Meles Zenawi and he is a giant fuck of a guy and a Laser-faire capitalist to the extreme pretty much Ethiopia is a great place for business because of its low taxes a tax heaven if you will, so very capitalist, even tough hes part of the socialist party buts that only to make his people fell good. (Hes about as Socialist as Pol pot was communist)

    But yeah other then all that the country should be good right? i mean at least they have the knowledge to know they where the location of the first people to ever walk earth, and are all about to die in a overpopulated, famine ridden, civil war, genocide hell hole

    CALLED ETHIOPIA......god help them cause im sure that we won't.


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    Well thanks for enlightening me on the whole ethiopia issue. Its going to take massive reforms to make it a stable country. Another green revolution would help the country a lot, maybe an edible cactus that they can grow in the sandy desert near somalia. They are gonna have to make the government secular so they can kick the fundamentalists out. Plus maybe access to the sea for fishing although that might not help much. I just hate how Eritrea and Djibouti are trolling Ethiopia by making it landlocked. Do you think there could be an improvement if the two countries become part of Ethiopia, because having access to the sea gives you a lot of options.
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    Eritrea already miltary occupied by Ethiopia, which is resulting in alot of strive between the tribes who some want it to become a part of Ethiopia while others do not. In the end they might go with some sort of puppet government and not full annexation.

    Ethiopia wants nothing to do with Dijbouti, way to many Muslims there and there military can prove a match to Ethiopia enough to do some damage.
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    Yea because unlike Ethiopia, they can put big guns on a ship and float it out in the sea and the Ethiopians can't get to it.

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