Rewriting U.S Bill of Rights

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  1. Lighthouse Well-Known Member

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    If you could take 3 things away from the first 10 amendments state them and why.

    For those who are unfimilar: ( Copy Paste Wikipedia.
    First Amendment -
    Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.[56]
    No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
    In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
    • Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
  2. stupified619 Well-Known Member

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    2nd- Really just the bear arms thing. You got a bunch of crazy rednecks running around with machine guns and they go "2nd Amendment HUURRRDDUURRR"
    *Please don't take me seriously.
    That's really it but I need two more...
    Meh. 3rd and 7th
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  4. Kalalification Guest

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    Why would you actually want to deprive yourself of basic civil liberties?
  5. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    You know it's interesting the right to trial by jury or a state provided lawyer in all criminal cases until well into the 1970s
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  7. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    Just skimmed through, but I don't really have a problem with any of it. That being said, If I had the choice, I would like for parts to be better clarified, and reworded to fit a more modern standard of English.

    Oh, I would of course take out this part of fifth amendment - 'nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.' - Though I would replace it with/write in a section dealing with personal propety, and clarify the difference between the two.
  8. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    What, in your estimation, is the difference between private and personal property?
  9. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Private property is the property you have that the communists want, and personal property is the property that you have that they don't want yet.
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  10. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    I'm not good at explaining things, but I'll have a try.

    Basically, Private property = a Business/Corporation/Any private enterprise/building which gains profit from exploiting workers.
    Personal property = A house, a car, a television, or a toothbrush.

    Not sure if there is a better term to distinguish the two. A large part of it though, would be moral calls. For instance, I have no problem with a child setting up a lemonaid stand.
  11. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    What if I started selling these toothbrushes out of my house and car, and the business became so profitable, that I hired friends to help out, but I kept more money than them individually, and was "exploiting people"? Where is the line drawn?

    Also, what gives you assholes the right to take property just because the people who own it are smarter than the average joe and know how to make money? Sounds fairly totalitarian, and scary, if you ask me.
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    You can't distinguish between the two. Businesses own homes, cars, televisions, and toothbrushes. People own businesses, corporations, various forms of private enterprise, and buildings. 'Personal property' is a communist buzzword that has no substance. Property is property. Either it exists or it doesn't.
  13. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Private property= Business/corporation, while personal is what you personally own.
  14. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Mister Ford personally owns an entire corporation, and thus all of it's property....
  15. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    If they were friends, if they were doing it willingly, and if their livelihood didn't depend on it, I wouldn't mind. In our current system though, you are forced to work. If you don't work, you don't eat, and you die. And If you don't get a well paying job, you can't afford healthcare, entertainment, good quality food, or a proper education, and thus your quality of life, and the quality of life for your kids suffers, thus turning into a big, ever repeating cycle. Or 'Wage Slavery', as we put it.

    Oh, and by the way, toothbrushes would be free under socialism.
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    Way to dodge the question. I'll take that as affirmation that 'personal property' is nothing more than a hollow buzzword.

    EDIT: In case Ler decides to edit his post after the fact, here's the original content.

  17. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    Didn't see your question. I was busy typing out a response to TheShaw. So much double speak. Plus, that was more of a statement than a question.

    Edit: Yeah, I do edit my posts a lot. Seeing as, y'know, double posting is against the rules.
  18. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Yet again another thread derails into the side of Communism vs Capitalism

    Clearly both sides can work together for the common betterment of mankind and the world instead of arguing with each other; or we can go forth and argue some more and then agree that Fascism sucks.
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    I'm talking about this question:

    "What, in your estimation, is the difference between private and personal property?" - pedro

    You didn't give something that could even closely resemble a reasonable answer, then abandoned the topic as soon as you could. As well you should, as 'personal property' is a meaningless term.
  20. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    I believe I answered the question quite clearly. I'm not going to respond to your double speak though, as I think it is fairly obvious what I meant.

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